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post #16 of 607
Question, I'm really really really interested in these now. When will I be able to order them (either from Shure direct or my normal retailer? Google claims they will be availabe in May! That's a real bummer. Anychance Shure will release them sooner?

EDIT: At the bare minimum, when will they be accepting PRE-orders?
post #17 of 607
Were any comparisons done between the UE10 and E500 unamped, straight out of a 5G ipod?
post #18 of 607
I'll get them , for sure , when they get available

ue-10 class of sound quality , half price , resale option , more fun .. miracle , would be unwise to not jump on them whenever possible eheh
post #19 of 607
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Originally Posted by boschtb
Were any comparisons done between the UE10 and E500 unamped, straight out of a 5G ipod?
i'd be very interested to find out about this one as well.
i was almost set on getting my UE5C or 10pro within a couple of months.
now i'm not sure anymore..
post #20 of 607
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Originally Posted by doobooloo
Nice impressions.

This is not good news for my wallet, and for my UE-10 Pros.
Honestly after reading your comments on the er-4s and ue-10 on the other e500 thread, I would not bother going with these since they are pretty much the opposite of what you are looking for.
The er-4s provides speed and clarity at a severe lack of harmonic detail. Decays are considerably non-existent with the 4s, but allows them to sound fast, and have a very clean definition of instruments due to little harmonic interaction between instruments. This defenition is not the same as detail or overall information since it only allows to hear "clearly" what is there.
To me, the er-4s does not provide a musical experience since it lacks information which to me makes music involving and is too artificial sounding for my tastes. I tune my system for harmonic richness, the 4s cuts out a considerable amount where it sounds if I was just listening to a portable player, the e4cs did not cut out as much and HF1s cut just a shade less, where the O2s provides the most.
The Shures, even the e4s are harmonically rich, and the brief listen to e500s, they are even more so. If you did not like the ue-10s as much as the 4s I do not see you liking the e500s.
Not telling anyone what they should listen to, but this is just an observation.
post #21 of 607
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Originally Posted by AC1
Honestly after reading your comments on the er-4s and ue-10 on the other e500 thread, I would not bother going with these since they are pretty much the opposite of what you are looking for.
The er-4s provides speed and clarity at a severe lack of harmonic detail. Decays are considerably non-existent with the 4s, but allows them to sound fast, and have a very clean definition of instruments due to little harmonic interaction between instruments. This defenition is not the same as detail or overall information since it only allows to hear "clearly" what is there.
To me, the er-4s does not provide a musical experience since it lacks information which to me makes music involving and too artificial sounding to me.
The Shures, even the e4s are harmonically rich, and the brief listen to e500s, they are even more so. If you did not like the ue-10s as much as the 4s I do not see you liking the e500s.
Not telling anyone what they should listen to, but this is just an observation.
Thanks for the comments. I would definately like to try one out someday though, just because I feel like my UE-10 Pros are missing something and I would really like to have a universal pair of IEMs that sound good to my ears. I think the statement "richer mids" is what is really attracting me - actually heck, overall everybody seems to reluctantly favor the E500s over the UE-10 Pros.

Anyway. Oh well, have to let the initial excitement phase pass first...
post #22 of 607
Jasper994, LFF, and Iron_Dreamer

damn you
post #23 of 607
Why are we missing the unamped review???? Do we have specs on the impendence of these headphone? Do we know for sure they go above the 16Hz ceiling for IEMs?

I am ready to jump ship if they are better unamped. Or use as secondary headphone. I do find it hard to believe that these headphones would have a better fit the custom IEMs. Just doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by LFF
After listening for about an hour I was very impressed - so much so that I think the Shure E500 will be a definate UE-10 killer. Here is why:
Just listening for just an hour and putting your initial impressions isn't going to sell me anything. I don't think I could write up such a detailed review with just an hour worth of listening. I am sure it would change if I listen to them for 10 hours, as it did with the UE-10s with me.

Not to mention there is something called a change. Everyones gets tire of the same old, same old, and in turn inflate anything new. So this is a really not a unbias review. I am waiting until a good review with someone that has owned these headphones for a few weeks or a month and can give a proper review.

I guess, at most, it peaks my curiosity to do further research in May when and if they come out then. I hear the same about the HF-1s when they came out. Once the first negative reviews starts coming in did we get a more objective review. As with any headphone they will not all be better then the last. There are +'s and -'s with any new headphone. Not just +'s so I can't buy too much into the hype besides wanting more reviews. Sounds interesting.

Now people that got to listen to these headphones? Did any of you get to keep them?
post #24 of 607
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Originally Posted by doobooloo
Thanks for the comments. I would definately like to try one out someday though, just because I feel like my UE-10 Pros are missing something and I would really like to have a universal pair of IEMs that sound good to my ears. I think the statement "richer mids" is what is really attracting me - actually heck, overall everybody seems to reluctantly favor the E500s over the UE-10 Pros.

Anyway. Oh well, have to let the initial excitement phase pass first...

Actually, I find the UE-10 to be a little dead/dull with certain tracks so maybe that's what you're hearing as well. The E500, to my ears, had perfect tonal balance with none of that dullness. Definitely give them a listen...
post #25 of 607
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Originally Posted by Jasper994
Actually, I find the UE-10 to be a little dead/dull with certain tracks so maybe that's what you're hearing as well. The E500, to my ears, had perfect tonal balance with none of that dullness. Definitely give them a listen...
NOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK. May, right? Gotta start saving up...
post #26 of 607
I cannot believe that no one mentioned the most important factor regarding the E500. Will they be available in white??
post #27 of 607
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Originally Posted by chrisfromalbany
Why are we missing the unamped review???? Do we have specs on the impendence of these headphone? Do we know for sure they go above the 16Hz ceiling for IEMs?

I am ready to jump ship if they are better unamped. Or use as secondary headphone. I do find it hard to believe that these headphones would have a better fit the custom IEMs. Just doesn't make sense.

I am waiting until a good review with someone that has owned these headphones for a few weeks or a month and can give a proper review. Just listening to these for a few hours and putting your initial impressions isn't going to sell me anything. I guess, at most, it peaks my curiosity to do further research in May when and if they come out then. I hear the same about the HF-1s when they came out. Once the first negative reviews starts coming in did we get a more objective review. As with any headphone they will not all be better then the last. There are +'s and -'s with any new headphone. Not just +'s so I can't buy too much into the hype besides wanting more reviews. Sounds interesting.

Now people that got to listen to these headphones? Did any of you get to keep them?
I cannot believe it, but I must say it as it doesn't happen very often : I concur your comment Chris.
post #28 of 607
Did anyone do any testing unamped?
post #29 of 607
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Originally Posted by chrisfromalbany
Why are we missing the unamped review???? Do we have specs on the impendence of these headphone? Do we know for sure they go above the 16Hz ceiling for IEMs?

I am ready to jump ship if they are better unamped. Or use as secondary headphone. I do find it hard to believe that these headphones would have a better fit the custom IEMs. Just doesn't make sense.

I am waiting until a good review with someone that has owned these headphones for a few weeks or a month and can give a proper review. Just listening to these for a few hours and putting your initial impressions isn't going to sell me anything. I guess, at most, it peaks my curiosity to do further research in May when and if they come out then. I hear the same about the HF-1s when they came out. Once the first negative reviews starts coming in did we get a more objective review. As with any headphone they will not all be better then the last. There are +'s and -'s with any new headphone. Not just +'s so I can't buy to much into the hype besides wanting more reviews. Sounds interesting.

Now people that got to listen to these headphones? Did any of you get to keep them?
Well, if you read carefully, all we were offering is initial impressions (which were excellent because that's what we all experienced). As you said, none of us have lived with them yet. As I did mention, I wish for a memory wire, but that's a personal preference. As far as I'm concerned, I'm being as objective as possible based upon what I heard and experienced.

For example, if you read my post, I said that in-canal comfort was better with the ue-10, but that the outer ear comfort was better with the E500 to the point where I found it more comfortable overall. Maybe I should expand on this. In the canal, the E500 is comfortable, but the pressure of the foam is slightly more than the pressure of having the hard (non-expanding) stalk of the UE-10 in your ear. I've never had any issues with the foam in my ears, and do find them to be quite comfortable. People that experience discomfort from having foam expand in their ears may prefer the UE-10's non-expanding stalks. On the other hand, if you have to take them out and put them in repeatedly over relatively short periods of time, there is no question that the E500 (and any other universal fit product) is going to be more comfortable. The UE-10s are a hard acrylic piece that forces your ear to bend around them as you put them on and take them off. If you only do this once every hour or two it's not really a big deal and is only minorly and briefly uncomfortable. If you have to do this a few times in the course of an hour, it becomes quite painful in my experience. Where the E500 really gained a lot of ground for me, though, is in the way they fit into the outer ear. The UE-10 puts pressure in a lot of places that have never had anything putting pressure on them before, over the course of a few hours this can become somewhat uncomfortable. It's not terrible, and is certainly livable, but the E500 doesn't seem to do this at all. It's a very small, well formed, unit that cradles in your ear very nicely. While you're up and about the comfort in the outer ear is going to be similar to the Super.Fi line (read: very comfortable), but the Super.Fi line has a bigger acoustic tube and cannot offer the isolation of the E500 without a lot of discomfort in the canal itself (unless you happen to have very large ear canals). In addition, the E500 is small enough allow me to lay on my side very comfortably, the UE-10 fits in my ears in such a way that laying on my side is not very comfortable. In this respect, everyone's milage will vary. Ed's ears are really small and it didn't look to me like he'd be able to lay on his side even with the E500. LFF's ears are big enough to where they could get the entire UE-10 unit to fit flush to his ear. This allows him to lay on his side with them and not experience the discomfort I do. I cannot say the E500 will offer you perfect comfort, but they get damn close (closer than the UE-10) for me.

As far as the sound goes, I sat there for the better part of an hour listening to the E500 and I think the tonal balance is about as perfect as it gets. Here again, everyone's milage will vary. For me, the E500 took to the next level what I like about the E4 and the E5, while leaving behind the weaknesses of both. As far as detail goes, like I said, it seems to be at least on par with the UE-10 if not better. I seemed to be getting a bit more detail through the whole range (small but noticable difference), but would really like to spend a couple of weeks with a pair before making a final assesment there.

In addition, it offers some awesome features such as the breakaway cable (that will help to avoid that awful and quite painful experience of having a pair of IEMs pulled out of your ear if you snag the cable on something), and the PtH unit. The PtH unit is something that we've needed for a while. Much of the wear and tear on IEMs, as well as the discomfort comes from having to take them in and out constantly. Additionally, this allows you to get the perfect seal and not have to break it everytime someone has a quick question for you. All of this comes in at half the cost of owning a pair of UE-10's, and they will have a resale value if you upgrade in the future, or if you happen to not like them for some reason.

As far as the treble extension goes, it was something we were all commenting on and so we asked Sugarfried about it. While he did not specify exactly what the frequency response was, he did say they were able to get them to go a bit beyond 16kHz.
post #30 of 607
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Originally Posted by wakeride74
Did anyone do any testing unamped?

Only very briefly, it sounded pretty good, but I really didn't listen to them that way for long enough to really form any sort of real opinion. Sorry about that.
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