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post #61 of 65
1/12/06 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by immtbiker
There are some great recordings from the '60's/70's/90's and current times. The 60's and 70's remasters from the orignal analog masters can be some of the best stuff out there. Forget about the 80's revolution. They didn't believe in real instruments, except for rocker bands like Pat Benetar and Motley Crue but the record companies felt it wasn't important to spend money on quality pressings.
"Real" instruments? In what way is a synthesizer (which I assume you're referring to) any less real than an amplified electric guitar?

Personally I feel there are some excellent groups + recordings from the 80s. Sorry to see you missing out on an entire decade of music.
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post #62 of 65
1/12/06 at 9:30am
That was mean spirited.

Music is a huge part of my of everyday life. I don't think I missed out on an entire decade of music.!

I went to concerts every week every summer at the Jones Beach and Central Park and Hudson River series concerts and at least a dozen concerts at Madison Square Garden and Nassau Coliseum each year.

My point, was that the recordings that were issued on commercial CD's and on MTV were lo-rez, cheap horrible pressings, that the record companies deemed fit for our consumption. Even LP's in the first half of the decade were made on recycled vinyl.
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post #63 of 65
1/12/06 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by Vertigo-1
While it's all too easy to laugh at a CD player that's priced so high, I think it's also worth our respect in the fact that it's yet another one of mankind's attempts to create a balls out state of the art device, cost no object. The Sony MDR-R10 and Sennheiser Orpheus were both born out of such similar cost no object projects. Obviously most of us will never be able to afford such things, but it's cool to know about it. And judging from the review(?) description on this CDP, at least it's not just Bose on steroids.
How do you know that this player represents an attempt to create a balls-out SOTA device? If it uses primarily custom electronics (special DAC made only for this player, specially designed transport + laser assembly, other special circuitry) then I agree... otherwise, if it's merely a very nice CDP in a ridiculously over-designed case then it's simply overpriced.

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Originally Posted by immtbiker
That was mean spirited.

Music is a huge part of my of everyday life. I don't think I missed out on an entire decade of music.!
Sorry... perhaps I misread what you were saying. I thought you were suggesting basically that "80s music and recordings are crap." If that is not the case, I apologize for the misunderstanding.

I have some 80s "pop" recordings on vinyl that are excellent, although the quality of the vinyl itself isn't great. 80s CD's are iffy (particularly earliest stuff), but I think it's mainly because digital mastering wasn't as well understood... considering today's overcompression and digital clipping run rampant, I tend to believe even CDs were not necessarily worse (in a general sense) than they are now.
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post #64 of 65
1/12/06 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by Jon L
I just love Goldmund's approach: Price it so high that only 50 people in the world can afford it, then those fifty people WILL buy it. Only Goldmund would have the Swiss Balls to say,

"# By Subscription only
# Owner's name engraved on the unit and registered in the software
# $70'000 before the subscription opens
# Probably much higher after..."

I would personally buy something solid like Benchmark or Lavry for $1000 and mod it to my tastes, then spend the money left over on building a dedicated listening room and buying amps, speakers, room correction device, etc.

Then again, what's scary is that people who will buy something like this probably already have preamp/amp/speaker/room that cost at least as much.
Well, as you say this is not a player for everybody, BTW it is not a CD player, it is a universal player, with tons of features, and probably the best money can buy...and make, hands down. Everyhting in this player is top notch, almost 200lbs of machinery, including some propietary circuitry and chips, and including all the tweaks we make later on, on our players, as damping, power cables, good caps, good audio section, anti static devices, etc, etc...all in one package, IMO of course it is extremelly expensive, but hey, it is not for everybody, it is one of a kind player, and we all know that those 50 will be sold out more sooner than later...

I personally do not think that any player even after mods will sound and perform like this one, but anyway that will be open for debate, as nobody has heard it yet....
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post #65 of 65
1/12/06 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by fewtch
I have some 80s "pop" recordings on vinyl that are excellent, although the quality of the vinyl itself isn't great. 80s CD's are iffy (particularly earliest stuff), but I think it's mainly because digital mastering wasn't as well understood... considering today's overcompression and digital clipping run rampant, I tend to believe even CDs were not necessarily worse (in a general sense) than they are now.
This is true. I have recordings from Joe Jackson and Elvis Costello and Sting that were fantastic on vinyl but crap on CD's.

I just received the newly issued "Best of the Doors" 3 LP set, and it is mostly binaural with Morrison singing on both channels. There is no overdubbing, and everyone is clearly heard in their own channel and it sounds exactly how it would if the were on stage in front of you, each with their own amp and Morrison singing through a stereo PA. I am blown away by the clarity of the original recording, except for the occassional clipping of Manzarek's keys on Light My Fire and Riders on the Storm.

But then I put on my original Pretenders and Pat Benetar, and the quality makes me shiver. Performance 4 stars, sonics 1.

Lastly when I was talking about real instruments, listening to Thomas Dolby and the Chemical Brothers emulating any instrument including drums bass and horns, is a big difference in me calling an electric guitar, a real instrument that is amplified (Hendrix and Frank Zappa aside).

Would a remastered original analog quality recording make a big difference through a better, higher priced (if the value is worth the price) player compared to a $500 Sony? You bet it would. Would it make a necessary difference listening to The Clash or most of Stevie Ray's (master guitarist and bluesman but some of the crappiest recordings ever made) recordings? No, it wouldn't.
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