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post #46 of 65
1/7/06 at 8:27pm
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Originally Posted by immtbiker
Actually..."How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb" is a horrible low-res recording. I'm using it as a coaster so I don't get wet rings on my coffee table.

There are some great recordings from the '60's/70's/90's and current times. The 60's and 70's remasters from the orignal analog masters can be some of the best stuff out there. Forget about the 80's revolution. They didn't believe in real instruments, except for rocker bands like Pat Benetar and Motley Crue but the record companies felt it wasn't important to spend money on quality pressings.

I am very disappointed in Bono allowing his artistry to be issued in such a horrible release. I guess that's why there's a U2 Ipod, for people who like 128kbps music.
I was being lighthearted. My point is, if all you listen to is, say... the velvet underground - why bother with a $70,000 CD player?

oh yeah, and motley crue are hardly a band are they?
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post #47 of 65
1/8/06 at 7:02am
What I find odd is that the CD player costs significantly more than the DAC. Transporting digital bits is a fairly bloody trivial task, doing D-A conversion is rather more meaty. Seems a bit the wrong way around, that does. Oh well, what do I know.
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post #48 of 65
1/9/06 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by AdamWill
What I find odd is that the CD player costs significantly more than the DAC. Transporting digital bits is a fairly bloody trivial task, doing D-A conversion is rather more meaty. Seems a bit the wrong way around, that does. Oh well, what do I know.

Well, a CD player must have a DAC built into it to decode and convert the digital bits read from the CD, because otherwise it's just a transport. A DAC by itself is just a printed circuit board with some IC's on it. So it makes sense then that a CD player will be more expensive than a stand-alone DAC, because it basically has all the components of the DAC plus all of the hardware for reading the actual CD.
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post #49 of 65
1/11/06 at 4:07pm
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NO-oversampling and No-upsampling this is the right way to go?!

All this over/up-sampling approach creates artificial musical information which
does not exist in the original recording. From a purist point of view this is not faithfull to the original recording.
DSD system which is native to SACD avoids any of this by very high sampling
rates, so the samples are the real data and not the guessed data.
Am I right?

Do not see you on the 'over/up-sampled' Side of the Moon

Adam
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post #50 of 65
1/11/06 at 5:43pm
Moon surface is oversampled?
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post #51 of 65
1/11/06 at 9:03pm
Would the Zanden CD player go well with these?:



On sale for $84900.00

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ull&1142106061
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post #52 of 65
1/11/06 at 9:37pm
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A PAIR of Alexandria X-2 Stereo Speakers For Only $125,000?!

I do not know about the babies you mentioned ... but how about
a pair of Alexandria X-2 for only $125,000?
Just two stereo speakers (without a subwoofer).
If you want, say 5.1, you need to add some more cash.
Anyway, thanks for the real cheap speakers for $84,900.

See you on the "$125,000 Alexandria's" Side of the Moon

Adam
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post #53 of 65
1/11/06 at 9:48pm
These are the X2's and are $125000 new. The ones on Audiogon are used.
They weigh 2200 lbs. Shipping alone is more than most Head-fier's CDP's.
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post #54 of 65
1/11/06 at 9:55pm
I hope they sound better than they look! (unless the picture doesn't do them justice...which is always possible). Those look kinda retro cool, but if I paid that much for speakers, I'd want them to look a lot more stylish. I would also settle for bookshelves with speaker stands made from real live Swedish models.
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post #55 of 65
1/11/06 at 10:39pm
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Originally Posted by immtbiker
Actually..."How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb" is a horrible low-res recording. I'm using it as a coaster so I don't get wet rings on my coffee table..

Funny you should mention that Aaron, I was listening to it and I thought that in general the production and mastering of U2 albums are pretty decent like POP and Actung Baby but what happened here?

Like the tracks "crumbs from your table" what's with Bono being sibliant? A $100 cdp would show this recording up let alone headfiers setups.
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post #56 of 65
1/11/06 at 10:43pm
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Originally Posted by AdamWill
What I find odd is that the CD player costs significantly more than the DAC. Transporting digital bits is a fairly bloody trivial task, doing D-A conversion is rather more meaty. Seems a bit the wrong way around, that does. Oh well, what do I know.
Transporting digital bits without jitter is not a trivial task.
To demand high quality moving parts is by no means cheap.
As expensive as the transport/dac combo is, it looks stunning, employs no-compromise designs, and supposedly sounds amazing. I have no intention of buying such a product, but I have no problem lauding the people behind it. Afterall, someone must always try to push forward the state-of-the-art.
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post #57 of 65
1/11/06 at 10:46pm
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Originally Posted by AdamCalifornia
All this over/up-sampling approach creates artificial musical information which
does not exist in the original recording. From a purist point of view this is not faithfull to the original recording.
DSD system which is native to SACD avoids any of this by very high sampling
rates, so the samples are the real data and not the guessed data.
Am I right?

Do not see you on the 'over/up-sampled' Side of the Moon

Adam
That's right.

But I rather have guessed data than no data at all.
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post #58 of 65
1/11/06 at 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by markl
You can find just as many people who don't want over or up-sampling because of the artifacts it introduces. Obviously, this was a deliberate design decision they made, rightly or wrongly. I would need to hear the exact same units, one equipped with up-sampling DACs and one without to determine which one I think sounds best, as I lack your ESP abilities.
What kind of artifacts does it introduce?
It used to sound thin and bright but that was because I was feeding it with dirty power. But now I don't hear much wrong with the signal.

The Cary 303/300 white paper says it removes artifacts:
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The overall DSP algorithm with selectable upsampling supports D-to-A conversion filtering far above the range of human hearing. The result is elimination of audible sonic artifacts and the release of pure music from both HDCD and standard Red Book disks.
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post #59 of 65
1/11/06 at 11:43pm
Adamcalifornia>I thought the emm lbs and dcs systems upsample DSD???
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post #60 of 65
1/12/06 at 2:21am
Mike, the Emm Labs outputs DSD in true DSD output (not PCM) at 2.1Mhtz. It upsamples redbook to 5.6448Mhtz DSD.
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