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post #16 of 30
Yesterday I went to my local hifi dealer to check out the K-701 hands-on (only visual and comfort check; no time to listen).

Although these guys are in the business of separating me from my money they said that the HD-650 sounds better to their ears than the K-701, in other words, they told me not to buy the K-701, because I purchased my HD-650 from them.

It seems Sennheiser does not have to fear a lot if that's the prevailing opinion among hifi dealers.

I still consider the K-701 rather tempting, in particular because I find the fit & comfort quite good, it looks much less iPod-like than on the photos I've seen and the reviews here on head-fi are mainly positive.
post #17 of 30
Whatever Sennheiser does, they should release another model that caters to the Grado lovers.

The rest of us who actually like HD6x0 series (even though it's far from perfect), could then listen to whatever the new flagship is, because it'll probably try to mimick "natural acoustics" rather than "good for rock'n'roll" design ideals.

Personally I hope they've gone for a clean slate design with the new flagship.

Why? Because headphone measurements, subjective listening methodology (and understanding about it's importance), artificial head measurement understanding and headphone design have progressed a wee bit since HD-580 was designed to warrant a revolutionary, instead of an evolutionary approach.

After all, you can only do so much by tweaking an existing design, regardless of how well it's been received by consumers.

Then of course, it can be a fairly big financial risk, if the customer base already likes the existing models a lot.

It'll be interesting to see what Sennheiser comes up with and even more interesting to see how the fine people of Head-Fi receive it.

EDIT: less inflammatory
post #18 of 30
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Originally Posted by halcyon
Personally I hope they've gone for a clean slate design with the new flagship.

Why? Because headphone measurements, subjective listening methodology (and understanding about it's importance), artificial head measurement understanding and headphone design have progressed a wee bit since HD-580 was designed to warrant a revolutionary, instead of an evolutionary approach.

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It'll be interesting to see what Sennheiser comes up with and even more interesting to see how the fine people of Head-Fi receive it.
I agree, although the way I'd put it is just "I want them to make a new, even more kick-ass headphone!"
post #19 of 30
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post #20 of 30
Will they release a new flagship? Very likely. Will it be a response to the K701? No. Development of headphones, especially that high-end, is not a quick process. By the time they could design and market a new K701-killer the K701 wouldn't be the best phone out there. Whatever their next flagship is will have been in development since long before the K701s were released.
post #21 of 30
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Originally Posted by jefemeister
what was the point of the Grado comment? I predict this thread will quickly decline into an argument now.
Especially with such well-wishers as you pointing it out, eh?
post #22 of 30
After reading these posts,my crystal ball tells me that the new Sen. will be out next year and it will look ,feel, and sound like a slightly improved HD650.When you have a respected product with a leading brand name,you want to change it very little.
post #23 of 30
Say what you will about Grado fanboys, but for some reason it seems Sennheiser fans by my observation get awfully perturbed when their 350 dollar product doesn't by much really (if at all) outperform headphones from a miniscule company with less overall employees than Sennheiser has working at the front desk of their headquarters. Sennheisers sound terrific, but they are not "fun" in my opinion. As a first time poster and long time reader, what I've been able to ascertain is that pure reference quality sound and on-paper credentials do not mean the best can for everyone. Grado brought me into the hi-fi listening arena, but I am considering another brand for the first time. The Hd-650 just didn't do it for me. Whoever said that Sennheiser wouldn't worry if AKG's new offering is close to or possibly superior than their flagship is kidding themselves. That kind of thinking is why the Japanese auto industry is kicking everyone else's butts and why capitalism can be so great. Competition spurs innovation, which gives us options and excellent prooducts.
post #24 of 30
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Originally Posted by halcyon
Whatever Sennheiser does, they should release another model that caters to the Grado lovers.
I tend to think that's what they were aiming for with the HD595, it sorta worked but it still sounds more like a Senn than anything else.

As for the next flagship Senn, it'll come when it comes. They're a pretty big and relatively well diversified company so it's not a big deal if the 650 gets bettered by another companies headphone, it's doubtful they'll lose money and they sure as heck ain't gonna go bankrupt. They can afford to spend however long it takes to get their products tuned to where they're happy with it, there's no need for them to rush out a new flagship just to have bragging rights. If it takes them 5 more years, big deal, people will still be buying the 580/6x0 series 'phones by the boatload.
post #25 of 30
Sennheiser's top can, the HD650, is a very well established, and popular set of headphones. I think, eventually, they will give us a new flagship, but not because of the K701, or the newer Beyer's.
post #26 of 30
No offense but the FOTM style posts in this thread are kinda funny. The AKG K701 is far from the be all end all of headphones. Moreover, it just came out! The "proven" comment about the HD650 vs. AKG K701 is ludicrous. The K701 hasn't even gotten that much market presence and/or hours of playback to even make a judgement let alone to declare them better (oh and btw, not everyone will like their type of presentation anyway).

I understand the positive enthusiasm garnered from this new "high-end" headphone, but c'mon now, slow down...
post #27 of 30
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Originally Posted by Trogdor
The "proven" comment about the HD650 vs. AKG K701 is ludicrous.
I think you may have misread his post.

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Originally Posted by Mastergill
Well, it has yet to be "proven" that the new AKG is clearly better than HD650
post #28 of 30
Some of the people posting here need to check out the "<$500 king of "thread.The bottom line is no matter how many times this poll comes up,the results won't change until Sennheiser releases their next reference phone.Gary.
post #29 of 30
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Originally Posted by PsychoZX
I think you may have misread his post.
Well i have to say that i've just edited my first post to add "yet"...Sorry for the bad English that can be misleading.
post #30 of 30
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Originally Posted by PsychoZX
I think you may have misread his post.
Damn so I did! Sorry Mastergill and thank you PsychoZX. I appologize.

With that said, again, the AKG K701 enthusiasm has to settle down a little bit...
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