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post #136 of 146

I got my new DT 880 PRO!
Amaizing!!!

 

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post #137 of 146

Perhaps you could offer us a more detailed description than just "Amaizing!!!"

post #138 of 146
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Perhaps you could offer us a more detailed description than just "Amaizing!!!"

Sorry it's true... I must to explain something more
I'm not an expert, my sensations are...
Confortables, good cord, in general strong contrucction
Very detailed, clear mids, smooth treble and bass there just right there.
For me are a very good neutral headphones, I love them!

 

Cheers

 

P.D.(This was the first one song in my DT880 PRO dt880smile.png

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mkidP2OUCk )

 


Edited by fuens - 4/13/13 at 11:41am
post #139 of 146
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For me are a very good neutral headphones, I love them!

 

 

Yes, I'm very fond of them also. biggrin.gif

post #140 of 146

I'm newb here and have been slowly upgrading my headphones. Started with Sennheisers HD439, then the Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro, to the Superlux HD681EVO, and now I'm the happy owner of DT880 600ohm cans. I love them!

post #141 of 146
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I'm newb here and have been slowly upgrading my headphones. Started with Sennheisers HD439, then the Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro, to the Superlux HD681EVO, and now I'm the happy owner of DT880 600ohm cans. I love them!

 

Check out the other DT880 thread!

post #142 of 146
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Originally Posted by fuens View Post
 

I got my new DT 880 PRO!
Amaizing!!!

 

beyersmile.png


​Simply amazing headphones. I've had mine for years and like them a lot.

post #143 of 146
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I'm newb here and have been slowly upgrading my headphones. Started with Sennheisers HD439, then the Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro, to the Superlux HD681EVO, and now I'm the happy owner of DT880 600ohm cans. I love them!


I was surprised to see in many reviews that the 880.600 is sometimes favored to many flagships. My ears only heard 250 ohm and i thought it was great, so that 600ohm must be even more smooth. But if you ever hear a 660.32, you'd be even more surprised by how flat it sounds. Its even more neutral, and with slight corrections is amazing!

post #144 of 146
Never realized there were two threads until now. :confused_face_2:

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I was surprised to see in many reviews that the 880.600 is sometimes favored to many flagships.

Ditto. Although the Head-Fi'er below has since obtained many more flagships since he wrote this, at the time he considered his DT 880 Premium 600 to be a great companion to his Orpheus. 'Nuff said.

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As many have already posted, we all hear differently.  Physical measurements of headphones are fun and might give you some pre-purchase guidance, but actually hearing/auditioning for some time with your own music (if you are buying headphones for yourself) is obviously better, especially if you can do this in your own comfortable setting.

 

Since so many retailers have excellent return policies, and since there is a strong used market, this is a viable strategy.  Yes, auditioning will cost you money (shipping, or the loss on the buy-then-FS transaction), but you should correctly count that as part of the price paid for the HPs you keep.

 

I am a well-regarded statistician and understand the scientific method as well as anyone, so let's not go there in response.

 

I own beyer 880/600s (MANUFAKTUR from the German site).  I purchased a QESLabs HPBA balanced heaphone amp speficially designed for these phones -- it is solid state -- and had the 880/600 re-cabled for balanced operation by Headphile.

 

I own beyer 880/250s.  These came with a single-ended SS amp directly from beyer specifically designed for these phones.  (The amp also has DSP functions, but I turned those off).

 

My Wadia CDP has both balanced and s.e. analog output from SACDs active, so I am able to drive both amps simultaneously, and level match with no problem.

 

With some long audio cables from BlueJeans, I am able to sit comfortably in a desk chair and have access to both phones -- level matched, as I said.

 

I put on an SACD that I know well, and close my eyes. My wife switches the headphones for me when I tell her too.  The clamping force is identical (no, I haven't measured the newtons, but I can't feel a difference).  The pads are identical.  I repeat with other SACDs.  Clapton, Joplin (Janis, not Scott), The Who (Tommy).

 

I (strongly) prefer the 600 ohm setup.  My blind A/B score was 25 out of 27.  (If I was paying attention, instead of enjoying the tactile experience of the wife/hair combo thing, and extrapolating where that vector would lead, eyes closed really amplifying that too, the score would have been 27/27).

 

Could be the amp, who knows.  But each amp was designed for the HP it was driving, so I am testing the whole package.  The amps cost about the same, and one was made by beyer itself.

 

When I return to my normal wiring set-up, the 880/600s are right at hand, as is my Orpheus.  Both are on all the time when music is playing (the Orpehus is s.e.).  On anything pop (except solo femal vocalists) and rock, I tend to pick up the 880s -- that says a lot.  For symphonies, classical violin and piano, female torch and slit-your-wrist genres, and opera, it's the Orph for sure.  For classic album rock, rap, and dance pop -- as well as the re-mastered Paul Simon collection and the Beatles mono box -- it's the 880s (for most large live rock concerts, a genre I like a lot, if I can motivate myself to get off the sofa and cross the room, I still prefer the Beta 22 and the AD2K's).

 

So for me, IMHO, the 880/600s deserve all the praise they get.  There is no BS here and the thread title is a tad offensive.  The 880/600s are an important product in this space, and the MANUFAKTUR site is neat and adds to the pleasure of purchase.  I usually recommend this route to new audiophiles just getting in to HPs.  (First I recommend used Stax, but that doesn't often curry favor ... however eveyone loves the MANUFAKTUR experience).

 

880/600 BS?  Yea, Better Sound.

 

Some of the posters here live near me and come for listening sessions -- I think I will try to repeat this single-blind experiment.  But they have to supply their own headphone-changing-girls, sorry.

post #145 of 146

@Hifihedgehog

 

Thx for sharing. I have seen in most that the 600 is preferred to the 250 which doesn't make me all that happy :p b/c i have the 250 ohm (premium) variant.

Seems the 600ohm pro is very hard to find stock form

but can get the MANUFAKTUR or w/e

I dont know if its folklore, but i swear i came across more than one tall tale that the MANUFAKTUR ones have more attention paid to them in terms of driver matching etc, aka less chance of getting mismatched ; rattling right driver

 

is this 600ohm driver completely different sound? From the sounds of it, its lighter? Takes more voltage, resulting in smoother and faster transient response? Can someone verify?

 

Also, can someone confirm the differences b/w 250 and 600 ohm is not lightyears apart.:happy_face1: 

post #146 of 146
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@Hifihedgehog

 

Thx for sharing. I have seen in most that the 600 is preferred to the 250 which doesn't make me all that happy :p b/c i have the 250 ohm (premium) variant.

Seems the 600ohm pro is very hard to find stock form

but can get the MANUFAKTUR or w/e

I dont know if its folklore, but i swear i came across more than one tall tale that the MANUFAKTUR ones have more attention paid to them in terms of driver matching etc, aka less chance of getting mismatched ; rattling right driver

 

is this 600ohm driver completely different sound? From the sounds of it, its lighter? Takes more voltage, resulting in smoother and faster transient response? Can someone verify?

 

Also, can someone confirm the differences b/w 250 and 600 ohm is not lightyears apart.:happy_face1: 

I tell you, the folklore out there goes every which way. Sometimes, it is pure speculation that is innocently based in junk science and wishful thinking. However, facts remain facts and Beyerdynamic states on their website that the 600-ohm drivers are, indeed, lighter than the 250-ohm drivers, which have in their own words "minimal moving mass." I have read at least one account on Head-Fi from a user who bought replacement drivers in both ohm ratings and confirmed the drivers are indeed noticeably lighter in his hands than the 250-ohm drivers he has felt. In truth, physics tells us a lighter driver will change direction faster than a heavier one, stemming from the idea that less mass has less inertia. That means there will be less leftover or residual energy (that "wobble" is a primary source of distortion) with a lighter driver of an identical technology when an amplifier stops sending a signal.

The difference, though, is not as vast between the 600-ohm and 250-ohm models as it is with the 600-ohm and 32-ohm model as we are about to see. Here is the transient performance of the three variants--the 32-ohm, 250-ohm, and 600-ohm Premium models--as illustrated in InnerFidelity's 300 Hz square wave test. The 600-ohm model has 2 and 2/3 wobbles, the 250-ohm model has 3 and 1/2 wobbles, and the 32-ohm model has 4 and 1/2 wobbles in their square waves. The 32-ohm model shows a significantly larger number of ripples of residual wobble than the other two models. The other two appear to show lesser differences in their square waves, but these differences are still there and I believe may play a key role in another aspect of the sound between the three of them that I will touch on in the final part of this discussion.

 

 

 

 

Source: InnerFidelity.com. Cited under fair use for educational purposes only.

 

 

Beyerdynamic DT 880 Premium 32-ohm Virtual Demo: http://pintsized.tech/HeadphoneDemoTracks/Beyerdynamic%20DT%20880%2032%20Ohm.wav

Beyerdynamic DT 880 Premium 250-ohm Virtual Demo: http://pintsized.tech/HeadphoneDemoTracks/Beyerdynamic%20DT%20880%20250%20Ohm.wav

Beyerdynamic DT 880 Premium 600-ohm Virtual Demo: http://pintsized.tech/HeadphoneDemoTracks/Beyerdynamic%20DT%20880%20600%20Ohm.wav

Source: Sonic Sense Pro Audio's Headphone Full Library on SoundCloud. Cited under fair use for educational purposes only.

 

The demos above do a fair job aurally demonstrating these differences as I hear clear differences in these virtual demo tracks above that give a wide margin of victory to the 600-ohm model. The 600-ohm model actually sounds clearer even though your would not think it based on its very similar frequency response curve. There are quick dynamics, expert nuancing, and pinpoint localization across a rather large sound field, and a real sense of immersion. The 250-ohm model comes second with a trifle more closed-in sound, gets cluttered in more busy passages, but retains decent out-of-head imaging. The 32-ohm model shows, at initial listen, some added brightness, but it has a very foggy, messy, smeared quality to it all-around compared to the 250-ohm and 600-ohm models. What is one possible explanation for the ascending pattern of clarity as we move up the DT 880 line of headphones?

 

Again, less and less distortion. Distortion adds noise that makes headphones sound warm, nebulous, and plushy, but at the same time this obscures the inner true detail across the whole frequency band. This is why the tones seem more pure and free flowing and the treble more unconstrained and open on the 600-ohm model. The charts of the distortion depict this clearly because as we move down the line, we see more and larger broad distortion humps raising their hoary heads and muddling the sound. Both the 250-ohm and 32-ohm models consistently show a broad, heavy distortion hump between 1 and 2 KHz that is nearing 1% distortion level, which is an absolute no-no in Hi-Fi. 1% distortion means it is only -40 dB below the audible signal, which means you may have a very hard time hearing soft sounds amid a mass of loud sounds with distortion levels like these.

 

 

 

 

Source: InnerFidelity.com. Cited under fair use for educational purposes only.

 

Now, if this all pans in the real world is still up for debate. Minimally, I can add myself as a data point in the next few days since I am a prior owner of the Pro 250-ohm version and I am a soon-to-be new owner of the Premium 600-ohm version. Ultimately, when the sonic pieces all fall in the right places on the audio chess board and this hypothesis holds up in the real world, maybe we can start a new FOTM wave of the 600-ohm version, which I am sure Beyerdynamic would not mind at all judging from a financial standpoint.


Edited by Hifihedgehog - 1/17/17 at 1:57pm
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