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Is Rock Music Running Out of Steam?

post #1 of 44
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I am just barely old enough to remember the emergence of Rock and Roll in the mid fifties. It caused a revolution in popular tastes. Things like big band music which had been dominant, went downhill rapidly, and the younger generation hardly listened to such music any more.

Then within less than 10 years it kind of hit bottom. Anyone remember Fabian? Even Elvis Presley, according to his biographers thought it was over and that was one reason why he went into movies.

Among other contenders, to knock Rock off were folk music: Harry Belafonte, Joan Baez, the Kingston Trio, Bob Dylan etc.

But nevertheless Rock music (no longer Rock and Roll) was reinvigorated in the 60's by many good US groups and with the help of the Brits and Motown.

Personally since then I haven't heard much other than Rap, which strikes me as new and different, and I frankly don't see that rap is really music, it's musical wallpaper with poetry, usually bad poetry at that.

I have kids growing up (10 and 12) and they are more inclined to pick up on some of the popular music that my wife and I play. a lot of what you hear on the "oldies rock" stations. Some of the music that works for them are the Beatles, Beach Boys, Doors, Joan Baez. Surprisingly to me, Presley is a complete dud to them but I am impressed by how nearly all young people know and like the Beatles.

My kids check out the Radio (LA area) and listen to some of their friend's music but I am not struck anything out there which approaches the near-universal impact on a large audience that some of the aforesaid oldies groups had in their time. (Last week, Paul McCartney still sold out in Anaheim)

I had expected that my kids would have their own musical revolution to define them, but I don't see (or hear) that happening.

I have taken a few music history courses and realize that musical styles can stay in place for long periods, even a century or more until some critical mass of people really need something new and someone comes along to fill the bill, whether its Beethoven, Wagner, Stravinsky or the Beatles.

I have spoken to some people who think that the next major trend will come from some amalgam of "World Music." Certainly there are many things out there which could add some zip to our musical diet. (Try a Greek 7/8 rhythm for a new musical experience).

I realize this is a potted history of popular music in the last 50 years, and your favorite group is probably not being given credit, but I think I have touched on some of the main trends.

Am I alone in my discontent ? Are you happy with the status quo? What will be the next big thing and when is it coming?
post #2 of 44
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Originally Posted by edstrelow
Personally since then I haven't heard much other than Rap, which strikes me as new and different, and I frankly don't see that rap is really music, it's musical wallpaper with poetry, usually bad poetry at that.
Don't you think your parents (or grandparents) might have said something similar about rock and roll? "It's not really music."

P.S. These days I'm mainly into classical, newage (another form you might consider "musical wallpaper") and instrumental film soundtracks with a smattering of older pop, 80s synthpop and other stuff, so personally I'm not at all discontented. There's so much music out there to choose from, it makes me dizzy.
post #3 of 44
I am happy with the status quo.
post #4 of 44
Well, it depends what age/group of people you are talking about.

I generally find that most people who are not into music or who are young and have parents that are not really troubled by music listen to Pop Music, and whatevers on the Radio ... or Trance/Techno >_<

The teenagers of a few years ago were listening to Rap/R&B for a few years and now that is all but spent, and they are listening to Punk/Hardcore/Emo music.

People who call themselves "Muso's" generally consign themselves to the old influences (Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Beatles), and alternative rock.

and the elder music lovers (that I have noticed) prefer Classical and Jazz.

These are the trends I have noticed, the next trend for Teenagers that I predict will either be "Gothic" (which I hope doesnt happen, I dont want kids dressing similar to me ) or "Indie".
post #5 of 44
Today's younger music audience is far less homogeneous than the music-buying population of the 1950's and 60's in North America.

If you want to hear the future of rock music, listen to independent bands locally and abroad... there is a lot of stuff available online, and a multitude of cheap events.
post #6 of 44
exactly hi wire..i completely agree with you..theres still plenty of talented musicians out there you just have to look out for them...but what can i say im a youngster..its juss kinda sad that the radio and the industry is juss trying to feed us all this garbage..if youre interested in some bands just pm me
post #7 of 44
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Originally Posted by edstrelow
Am I alone in my discontent ? Are you happy with the status quo?
No, as far as mainstream music is concerned, I think it is crap, and time for the revolution.

However, I am almost 30, which is dangerously past my hip musical prime.
post #8 of 44
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Originally Posted by edstrelow
Am I alone in my discontent ? Are you happy with the status quo?
when talking about things like this (especially today), it's important to distinguish between pop music and everything else.

pop music is going down the drain, everything else.. well, look into artists like Kayo Dot, Estradasphere, Bubblemath, Therion, Ayreon, and Tortoise (just to name a very, very few) to get an idea of what's going on under the radar. there are so many artists out there that are creating beautiful, experimental, atypical, forward-thinking, and genre-bending music filled with sprawling musical landscapes and elaborate concepts.. it's an absolute shame that they pass by unnoticed and are relegated to the status of "I don't see that happening." when in fact, it is happening. things are happening in music that are the purest forms of innovation and revolution. losing steam? i'd say it's stronger than ever.. but then, that depends on where you look.

regarding trends and the next big thing - i don't know, nor do i particularly care. i've long since realized that "the next big thing" is something i don't want to have many/any dealings with.
post #9 of 44
I think the musical revolution is alreasy going in the underground where it was happening allt the time. In the eighties punk was new, in the nineties bands like Green Day made punk popular although they started out as a group of teenagers playing and recording their music in a garage... Nowadays they get played on MTV and on the radio!
The new stuff is drum'n'bass and all other kinds of electronics in my opinion. This is where the musical revolution is happening. This is what get's played in the underground scene. It's not hiphop or punk anymore. But this kind of music is still far away from being commercial and I'm pretty happy about that
Just wait a few years and you'll notice it. You won't understand why your children like these, errr, sounds, cause it doesn't sound like music very often

But rock isn't dead anyway, I know quite a lot of young people who are performing and listening to this music. It just isn't something new
post #10 of 44
I just hope 30-40 yrs down the road I don't become someone who goes around and telling everyone music dead when my era went away with time and that comtemporary music at that time aint really music.
post #11 of 44
Rock music happened at a time when the media that drives our culture was just taking off, and so rock music rode the wave and became part of the group overmind.

There can never be another musical revolution like rock until there is another media driven cultural revolution like the sixties.

Popular music (as opposed to experimental music) is very limited in form, so it's no surprise that bands that were popular forty years ago continue to be popular. Once you get past style and image most popular music (including all forms of rock) is very similar.

It could be argued that the big cutural revolutions will neccessarily happen elsewhere (the internet and computer gaming, for example).
post #12 of 44
If you want to restore faith in new music I agree you have to go underground. It's amazing how well known some of these "underground" bands actually are in the younger crowds.

I don't post all that much about new music even though I'm constantly exploring new stuff. Check Davey's post, he's the resident indie-master.
post #13 of 44
Like the majestic tradition of late-twentieth-century advertising jingles, music will continue to grow more shiny, clean, driving, catchy and simplistic. The patience and determination required for comprehending complex music and meaning are diminishing as we all assimiliate to an electronic society that requires rapid but shallow processing of a constant flow of mainly visual information.

So if you believe that Rock is all about visceral drive and immediacy, there will be more of that when the next cultural movement looks back to the importance of rockabilly, garage or punk. If you think that Rock (or any other kind of popular music) is supposed to convey something relevant or important, all you have to do is look at the latest cliques of post-punk posturers to see that the new message is that there is nothing new (nor ever will be ever again).

Yeah, yeah, yeah!
post #14 of 44
The era when rock dominated music and pop culture are over. It's been all about hip-hop for 10 years now. Sad but true.
post #15 of 44
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Originally Posted by markl
The era when rock dominated music and pop culture are over. It's been all about hip-hop for 10 years now. Sad but true.
Taking groups like Public Enemy as exceptional, I think it's deplorable but stunningly effective that gangsta rap combines the anarchistic rage of American punk with a thoughtlessly confident affirmation of bourgeois consumerism -- a combination that stays 'edgy' but is easily coopted by political conservatism. Middle-brow big-town Nashville country-ites will diss rap and denounce it from the pulpit, but they can't help but admire its commitment to personal ambition and entrepreneurial fervor (like an evil twin of the Protestant work ethic).
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