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post #46 of 96
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Me: Oritek X-1 > Wolff > UR5? Wolff > Oritek X-1 > UR5?
Dollars to doghnuts you haven't heard/owned Wolff's cables (or if U have U haven't shared with us so far), so where does this rating come from? You are starting to sound like the sort of true-believer you used to ridicule.... Repeat after me-- "I am not my gear, I am not my gear..."
post #47 of 96
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BTW markl and DarkAngel when are you two going to stop being audio imposters, get real, move up into higher fidelity and get turntables?
Imposters, eh? Well, when I grew up and first started buying music in 1980 (I can proudly say that AC/DC Back In Black was my first purchase), it was *cassettes*, not LPs I bought. I've never had an LP system of my own (though I certainly listened to my Dad's at the time), I'm an early CD adopter, and given I have a collection of 3000 CDs, the die is cast and I'll never be into vinyl no matter what...
post #48 of 96
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Originally Posted by markl
Dollars to doghnuts you haven't heard/owned Wolff's cables (or if U have U haven't shared with us so far), so where does this rating come from? You are starting to sound like the sort of true-believer you used to ridicule.... Repeat after me-- "I am not my gear, I am not my gear..."
I like the X-1 more than the UR5. I thought I covered the two possible choices based upon the differences between DA's and my priorites-the "detail resolution" thing.

My gear is refreshingly and admirally oblivious to opinions, unlike pitifully human me.

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Originally Posted by markl
Imposters, eh? Well, when I grew up and first started buying music in 1980 (I can proudly say that AC/DC Back In Black was my first purchase), it was *cassettes*, not LPs I bought. I've never had an LP system of my own (though I certainly listened to my Dad's at the time), I'm an early CD adopter, and given I have a collection of 3000 CDs, the die is cast and I'll never be into vinyl no matter what...
I know. And I'll probably never like those treble boosted Rhino CDs you love.
Never the t'wain shall meet maybe but I still like you.
post #49 of 96
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Originally Posted by markl
first started buying music in 1980 (I can proudly say that AC/DC Back In Black was my first purchase),
Kiss Alive 1976
post #50 of 96
Well, to be honest, the first music I compelled to be bought was the Knack-- Get The Knack on vinyl, circa '79.

Heh, I still love that song (My Sharona), and that album. But still, the 1st music I bought with my own money was AC/DC Back In Black on cassette, so I have that going for me....
post #51 of 96
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Originally Posted by eyeteeth
BTW markl and DarkAngel when are you two going to stop being audio imposters, get real, move up into higher fidelity and get turntables?
Digital stinks.
I went through the turntable cycle back in my early days......
Rega Planar 3 in 1985 upgraded to Linn LP12/Ittok 1988 and kept that till late 1990s when I just got tired of all the work with vinyl, don't miss it.

I am pretty sure knowing your sound priorites you would like Wolff Gold/Silver ICs better than you beloved X1 if money were no object........but then we have the mysterious expensive X2 siren calling you
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post #53 of 96
Looking forward to your UR6 impressions, DA! I had a set of the original UR and just sent them in for an upgrade. Yeah, revisions can be a pain in the butt, but Grover's upgrade policy is pretty generous, IMHO.
post #54 of 96

Tired of vinyl or of "Dinosaur" tables?

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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
I just got tired of all the work with vinyl, don't miss it.
The trouble is that you bought into the myth that only "purist" tables are worth having... Get a table that serves you, rather than become the slave of your table... One with auto-lift, for example... Life gets much sweeter!
post #55 of 96
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
I went through the turntable cycle back in my early days......
Rega Planar 3 in 1985 upgraded to Linn LP12/Ittok 1988 and kept that till late 1990s when I just got tired of all the work with vinyl, don't miss it.

I am pretty sure knowing your sound priorites you would like Wolff Gold/Silver ICs better than you beloved X1 if money were no object........but then we have the mysterious expensive X2 siren calling you
Just about the best sounding tables. I know, I owned both of them at one time or other. I was stupid enough to sell my LP12/Breuer combination for $1200 a few years back as it was gathering dust in the basement!
post #56 of 96

Mysteries of the mind...

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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
but then we have the mysterious expensive X2 siren calling you
What's mysterious in a product available for purchase?!
post #57 of 96
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
I went through the turntable cycle back in my early days......
Rega Planar 3 in 1985 upgraded to Linn LP12/Ittok 1988 and kept that till late 1990s when I just got tired of all the work with vinyl, don't miss it.

I am pretty sure knowing your sound priorites you would like Wolff Gold/Silver ICs better than you beloved X1 if money were no object........but then we have the mysterious expensive X2 siren calling you
Yes I'm aware of your past life with vinyl. I'm just being a nusiance.

If you recall I got into vinyl, then sold it all because of the extra efforts. But the sound of analog was the siren call that wouldn't leave my ears and I was back into it within a year. I find it irresistible.

X-2? Well there are other spots more pressing (more expensive too) that I'd like to improve upon.

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X-2? Well there are other spots more pressing (more expensive too) that I'd like to improve upon.
Better cables let you hear more of a component in my estimation. The X-2 won't make my presently so-so phonostage better; on the contrary, I'll hear more clearly it's limitations.
post #58 of 96
MonkeyMan from other UR5 thread:

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I have a UR-6, and it absolutely SMOKES my Tara Labs "The Zero" 1.0m RCA interconnect. That ought to speak volumes, since the Tara retailed for about $12k USD when I bought it...

My big-rig is not listed in my profile, but here's what's sitting in front of me as I type this:

Speakers: Westlake BBSM-15f

Amplifier: Boulder 2060

Preamplifier: Boulder 2010

Digital Source: dCS P8i

FM Tuner Source: Magnum Dynalab MD-108

I should mention that the Sony SCD-1 listed in my headphone rig used to be the digital source in my big-rig. The SCD-1 sounds better via the RCA outputs (IMHO), so I used an RCA terminated interconnect and a set of the Cardas RCA/XLR adapters to get the signal into the 2010.
Grover UR6

I have spent a little time with latest UR6 from Grover and will begin discussing my findings.......am purposely not starting another thread because there are too many Grover threads now and we loose all valuable previous info when new threads are always started.

After 48hrs on FryKleaner into stereo system it went replacing the UR5 and playing another 24hrs before serious listening. Pulling out my notepad from previous cables/sessions I heard further improvements in detail resolution and soundstage presentation. I think ET should hear UR6 as I no longer will concede that X1 is slightly more detailed, I feel UR6 has matched it there and added to its advantage in soundstage presentaion which is really impressive now........perhaps MonkeyMan can comment further?

The tone balance is slightly different now, a bit less full and warm toned like UR5, it now has a faster more agile bounce to its step, a touch more treble energy and extension. If you made a hybrid of X1 and UR5 sounds the result would be UR6, as usual not sure what changes Grover has made to acheive this. Still has natural relaxed detailed presention that makes almost any type of music sound its best........I have many rock recordings with typical grain and glare sound and UR5/UR6 can play these more cleanly/smoothly than Oritek or Wolff, yet still magically match these great cables in detail resolution and soundstage, somehow it minimizes CD sound flaws best.

This is the quality that keeps me a Grover fan.......the universal ability to make any type of recording sound its best while minimizing its flaws. Vast majority of my music collection is your average rock recordings so my primary goal to to make these sound as good overall as possible.

There has been some discussion here that the real goal of cables is to be completely transparant as possible to music signal, which sounds logical but in reality may not ultimately be satisfying for everyone.

I have local friends with 50K+ systems that sound great if you play the handful of acceptable audiophile CDs (Dianna Krall, Jennifer Warren, Ricky Lee Jones, etc) but put on "average" rock CD like Rolling Stones, AC/DC and it sounds terrible magnifying every small recording flaw, can't even make it through one song, painful experience........just an observation that ultimate resolution and transparancy may not be a satisfying goal for everyone
post #59 of 96
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Originally Posted by markl
Well, to be honest, the first music I compelled to be bought was the Knack-- Get The Knack on vinyl, circa '79.

Heh, I still love that song (My Sharona), and that album. But still, the 1st music I bought with my own money was AC/DC Back In Black on cassette, so I have that going for me....
Gotcha both...I'm a child of the 8-track. As a matter of fact, I still got several! You want 'analog' sweetness....my oh my what a sound from those babies!! Aerosmith Rocks, ZZ Top, Kiss, Johnny Cash...the list goes on and on. Them were da days!!

Back to the topic though....perhaps I need to give the UR cables another listen. Really in the need for a second pair of cables so maybe another listen is in order.
post #60 of 96
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
MonkeyMan from other UR5 thread:



Grover UR6

I have spent a little time with latest UR6 from Grover and will begin discussing my findings.......
I heard further improvements in detail resolution and soundstage presentation. I think ET should hear UR6 as I no longer will concede that X1 is slightly more detailed, I feel UR6 has matched it there and added to its advantage in soundstage presentaion which is really impressive now........

Damn it damn it damn it, this sounds like the cable for me I went from the UR5 to the X-1 and now have some old as the hill transparent music link plus cables bit the UR6 sounds like a winner
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