I guess I'm going to drift off topic here, but so what, it seems like Neruda and ai0tron just want to argue.
ai0tron, regarding dependance being a weakness:
I really am surprised that you feel this way. I see the world as consciousness expressing itself through its manifestations in material form. It appears to me that you recognise the distinction between Mind and Matter; that you wish to express yourself creatively and find that that takes eschewing the limitations of extant form so that your consciousness can be as free as possible. If this is true, I find it a ligitimate viewpoint, and one that I adopt at times. IE in the current argument at hand, I significantly subbordinate my role as manufacturer to my belief that this community can do things that are better for headphones in the long run----which is indirectly benefitial to me----than I could possibly do for myself through self interested action. In other words, I refuse, temporarily, the form of CEO that I've built in order to have a different viewpoint. This is a type of independance from existing form that I think is good to have the power to exert.
BUT! I do this thing in the hope of strengthening a larger form that I am willing to submit to, that of this community. And I do see the goal as that of developing the most benefitial form of which I will become dependant on as I can.
Yes, I wish to be both dependant and dependable---interdependant. It is said that maturity can be view as having three phases: dependance (child suckling its mothers breast), independance (adolescent rebelion and conquer the world attitude of young adults), and then interdependance (the settled maturity of those willing work with each other). Going beyond this simple definition, however, I see the desire for interdependance as a reflection of the truth of the existance of unity at some subtler level. The members here love this place and find enjoyment here because in the interaction we experience a largeness to our interests that we could not experience alone.
Dependance (as long as it is coupled with the willingness to bear the burden of others in need to some extent [interdependant responsiveness]) is not weakness at all but a building block towards unity.
Ken Wilber (a contemporary philosopher) says that the next large trend in the developement of humankind is the recognition and acceptance of a transpersonal identity. That mean that people will find themselves identifying more with the groups that they belong to rather than their own individuality. We will become more willing to suffer personally for the good of others in our group. He also sais that the greatest threat to our growth as a people is our unwillingness to give up individualistic biases and submit with gentility to something larger.
To say dependance is weakness is denying truthes like "United we stand, and devided we fall." or that it is more efficient to have divisions of labor in groups of people. I think you may want to look at yourself and see if your desire for independance might be motivated by something other than rational logic (if you're a humanist) or spiritual intuition (if you're personal motivations are faith based).
I depend on the reality here that other people will read and respond to my posts. And I accept that dependance. Tell you what, let's agree that everyone will allow you to be totally independant and not read or respond to your posts. That would suck for you wouldn't it? Wouldn't you rather depend on us just a bit to give a **** about you and want to try to communicate. Don't you, just a little bit, depend on me to talk with care to you rather that just react with venom. (Neruda, you really should try to argue with your own points of view rather that just rant back at ai0tron.)
I'm not really a capitalist, I think I'm more a Libertarian---politically. I think we should have a political system that allows us to be a free as possible to express ourselves. But, philosophically, I'm a "all for one and one for all" kind of guy. Maybe materially capitolist, spiritually socialist. I don't know, but I'm not afraid of submitting to something larger than myself.
I love the biblical quote where it is said God cares about you, God knows when a sparrow dies and don't you know you are worth many sparrows. I just allways feel like adding: "245,329 to be exact." If you insist in being independant you actually limit your worth to 245,329 sparrows. If you are willing to be interdependant, you can be worth so much more, though you have to be humbe enough to accept that your value is not yours alone.