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post #1 of 16
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Well, I knew this would happen eventually since I was pissed off at Sony for a very long time for denying that their initial run of PS2 consoles were defective, and guess what? They got sued! See here. It basically applies to anyone who bought new consoles from the 30001 series all the way to 50010 (see your model # on the back of your console), and essentially states that if you've had to pay for repairs or have not gotten repairs you need yet, there's a settlement in place so that you can get your defective console repaired or replaced.

What they don't say is why the consoles were defective and I have my theories on the matter, and after a two-three year test, I believe I have some credible conclusions- poor ventilation(too much ventilation CAN be a BAD thing!) led to excessive dust intake and thus rapid drops in performance, all of which could have been avoided if the console was properly engineered from the get-go. And no, I'm not a Sony or PS2 basher; the PS2 console is the only current generation console I own. It's just that no matter how good I think the games are and whatnot, there's still the issue of poor reliablility that had not been addressed until now, some 5 years after the PS2 first came out. This does not bode well with me, if it were up to me such issues would have been resolved much earlier in the cycle, and the PS2's 6-year run is almost over (most major consoles have a 6 year cycle before being replaced by new flagship hardware, i.e. Nintendo, Sony, and Sega; the only major exception as of yet seems to be the Xbox). I can only hope that such problems are not present on next-gen superconsoles like the PS3, Revolution, and Xbox 360.

The funny thing is here is that I remember threatening to sue Sony about three years ago over this, so they replaced my console- twice! I also had several friends with defective consoles that were turned away by Sony because back then they just said "f the customer, we don't care if people say our product is defective, enough people are buying it that we don't have to give a crap if there's a problem". Well, now there is a problem, and it seems that Sony's troubles are just mounting and mounting, especially since the lawsuit onslaught is about to start for their shady Rootkit business that they tried to slide under the radar. Makes me wonder what else is in store for them- I sure hope their headphones division doesn't get in hot water, that's for sure

Anyway, any PS2 owners with a take on the matter?

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Abe
post #2 of 16
"What are the possible benefits of this settlement?"

"one PS2 game from a specified list"



Yeah, thats what they need, a free game for their busted PS2!
post #3 of 16
Had mine for 2 years and there isn't any dust in it. I kept it well off the ground and in a closed cabinet though. Interesting that Sony is getting busted on this aspect though. Early run PS2 (launch) ones had much worse problems, the crappy DVD drive they were using would eventually misalign it's laser and cause major read errors. Xboxes have the same problem with a specific DVD OEM, Thomson, whose drives are pieces of crap.

Next gen is likely to be much worse in the "choking on dust" respect. They got more processor power, obscenely power hungry video processors, and because of that, will need much more ventilation than the current models. With styling considerations, they're going to be getting worse long before they get better. A cold wall type solution, which is what they should be using, doesn't look too pretty.
post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by marvin
Had mine for 2 years and there isn't any dust in it. I kept it well off the ground and in a closed cabinet though. Interesting that Sony is getting busted on this aspect though. Early run PS2 (launch) ones had much worse problems, the crappy DVD drive they were using would eventually misalign it's laser and cause major read errors. Xboxes have the same problem with a specific DVD OEM, Thomson, whose drives are pieces of crap.

Next gen is likely to be much worse in the "choking on dust" respect. They got more processor power, obscenely power hungry video processors, and because of that, will need much more ventilation than the current models. With styling considerations, they're going to be getting worse long before they get better. A cold wall type solution, which is what they should be using, doesn't look too pretty.
I remember that's essentially what my first system died from- the DVD part of the laser worked, but the CD part didn't, and I eventually found this to be due to incorrectly set factory voltage bias on the potentiometers, which I had to manually adjust to get working I actually blew the DVD pot by accident because I set the resistance too low, so that was the end of the first console.

The next one met its end after being so misaligned that the body of the laser itself would scratch into the discs I played, and I eventually got a check for $137 to replace what got circular scratches to the point that my CD's/DVD's wouldn't play. Turns out it was the way the laser was setup on console #2, which led to its replacement. Lesson: make sure your laser travel doesn't physically contact the disc After getting that console out from repair, it failed within 15 minutes- the drive locked up and would not work unless the system stood vertically. I couldn't even get the disc I had inside to eject!

This led to console #3, which I reversibly modified as soon as I got it. I put electrical tape on all the non-essential vents and parts of the expansion bay and disc tray(I made a crude but effective compression seal) to basically seal off the disc from the external environment. I did not put tape on the vents directly in front of the fan on the opposite side; this I found to be the only actual essential part of ventilation within the PS2. I can post pics, but before I do, I will say without a doubt this method worked like a charm. I've had this console #3 since February of 2002 and it has not had any problems yet!
Another victory for the power of electrical tape!
I don't know what reliability issues besides possible overheating people face with Slimline models though; if I had one in my posession I could probably quickly find out what is and what is not good for the new run of PS2's.

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Abe
post #5 of 16
Funny, I bought my ps2 at least 4-5 years ago and have not had any problems with it.
post #6 of 16
Well, if they were all defective it would have been a big deal...I had a PS2, it lasted for about 3 years, with no problems, then I sold it...
post #7 of 16
Hmmn, I have a 50001. I guess I will have to keep an eye on it :P

BTW wasn't there some power cord issue with some of the units too?
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by ooheadsoo
Funny, I bought my ps2 at least 4-5 years ago and have not had any problems with it.
Lucky you, eh? The only thing I have that's lasted that long is my boots and my VCR, but that thing is like 17 years old, LOL
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Abe
post #9 of 16
39002 with DMS 4
oh yeah, life's good.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by ooheadsoo
Funny, I bought my ps2 at least 4-5 years ago and have not had any problems with it.

Ditto here, I bought a 30000 level PS2 about a year after the PS2 was first released and it's been going strong without a single hiccup since day one. And with the hours I've logged on the thing, I'm expecting it to kick the bucket at any time...but so far so good.
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by Vertigo-1
Ditto here, I bought a 30000 level PS2 about a year after the PS2 was first released and it's been going strong without a single hiccup since day one. And with the hours I've logged on the thing, I'm expecting it to kick the bucket at any time...but so far so good.
Hmmm, I always remember being unlucky with any console. My NES, SNES, and PS1 all had problems after a while, and I baby my consoles
Probably doesn't help that I wasn't the only one playing them, but the PS2 was my personal dream machine, and it quit after 6 months intially. I barely even played the damn thing for its intended purpose because no really good PS2 games came out that I could afford for a while, so I stuck to running enhanced PS1 on it while doing double duty as a DVD/CD player.

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Abe
post #12 of 16
My cousins just choked and died actually. It is about 3 years old. The hilarious thing is that it has not affected his desire for the next playstation.
post #13 of 16
I've got one of the first locally released PS2's in Australia and so far its running fine although the cable for my controller is getting a bit loose and the fan is getting a bit noisy but apart from that it works fine. So it must only affect NA models?
post #14 of 16
It's the American way. Bless the trial lawyers.
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by renesis_au
I've got one of the first locally released PS2's in Australia and so far its running fine although the cable for my controller is getting a bit loose and the fan is getting a bit noisy but apart from that it works fine. So it must only affect NA models?
Not really sure what regions' models are affected aside from ones in the 'States. I do recall however that the initial run of Japanese PS2 consoles had some major problems.

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Abe
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