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post #31 of 121
Ok, now you put it more clearly.
post #32 of 121
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Originally Posted by Nik
I had the PS1 and I have the L3000... after 2 or 3 or more hours of nostop listening... I doubt nobody can prefer the PS1 to the L3000, but this is just my opinion.

Best!
Nicola
Actually Nik has a point here. The PS-1 is kind of love at first sight. At least it was for me. The L3000 is different and you need a good listening session in order to appreciate them.

Usually a can is like a fragance. You are aware of the SQ/smell at the beginning and then you get used to it. With this AT you keep being aware of the SQ more and more. That never happened to me before.

I like the bass on it so much... It really goes deep and I'm finally listening the cello notes the way they sound on a live jazz concert. It is not the tightest bass on the planet but sometimes I think that tight bass is overrated.

When it has to sound tight they sound tight (some electronic music, some drums...) but not always is like that. That's the problem of the UE10s, for example. They could have been the perfect monitor ever but its only weakness is the bass. It is great but you don't get such a tight bass all the time on real life. It can be a bit unrealistic. Apart from that I think they can be the more realistic monitors, btw.

The bass of the PS-1 is great too and it has more slam. I much prefer the PS-1 bass for most of drums, but I prefer the L3000s bass for everything else.

Disclaimer: All this IMHO, at least straight from a MiniDAC or a Earmax Pro AE. I never got to hear the PS-1 in balanced mode which might change things (it sure did with the RS-1, HD-650 and DT880).
post #33 of 121
All kidding around aside, totally depends on my mood. The PS-1s are more energetic and exhuberant, the L3000's more complex and introspective. Which you prefer depends on your personality as much as your hearing I think. (Although NeilPeart does like the L3000 and the hardest thing to get him to do is shut up! (j/k)). OK, make that your musical presentation preference. I like 'em both but if it were just one, I'd take the PS-1, it's better suited to what I do most the time when I'm listening to headphones which is working on something else not purely devoting my time to listening...
post #34 of 121
the l3000, because it just has an overall better sound. Their is something about the natural soundstage and excellent, lush, smooth mids that makes me always favor them more.
post #35 of 121
ps-1 for the best bass in history and for maintaining the mids while having such a nice bass
post #36 of 121
Mr. Irrelevant....he shoots...HE SCORES!!!! The question is which one or is it both??
post #37 of 121
L3000 for me. I've heard PS-1 running balance and I prefer my L3000 in a single end system over it. The build quality is first class on the L3000.
post #38 of 121
You know what? I've heard both and I would say that for people who have only given the L3k's a cursory listen will not be doing these phones justice. To me, there aren't any phones that sound like this! Maybe some other AT's get sorta close, but nothing this 'realized'.

First of all, the L3K's are colored phones! These will be no-one's studio monitors! They are meant for long-term listening pleasure (hence the overall package - nice build quality, smell, mellow but rich/lush sound, and comfort).

The PS-1, while it has it's benefits, is no special headphone to me. It is a certain tweaking of the Grado Sound and it is very content specific. The L3K's are much less so.

But I think the MOST IMPORTANT point is the burning in issue. Before these phones, I would have taken the issue more lightly, but now I see it as vital to the enjoyment of these phones. There is definitely a burn in effect. AYT999 for example had to replace his drivers, and a side by side comparison yeilded a signficant difference between new and burned in drivers. These phones, IMHO, need AT LEAST 300 Hours!!!! You read me right, 300 hours minimum. I cannot express to you how the sound has changed for me. When I first got them, they sounded closed in, lacking extension, glued together bass, shouty mids, rolled off high's, glare... etc...

FOR ME:
0-50 hrs - reduction of midrange glare (uncomfortable midrange emphasis ~ 800hz-1.6khz, 'loosening of bass')

50-150 hrs - further reduction of midrange glare, bass is now controlled, deeper and very liquid. High's still seem rolled off, or 'etchy'.

200-300 hrs - this is where the bass and mid come into their own. This is where the phone starts to show some real transparency (not to be confused with linearity, or accuracy!). But most importantly, near the end of this burn in cycle, the high's really seem to come in. Actually I do not think the high's really come in as much as the headphone gains quite a bit of SPEED. Transients came across very sluggishly, almost like very poor tubes at first. This has been alleviated. I am at roughly 300-320 hours.

Of course this is how it went for me. I would love to compare different people's L3K's and see how they differ. IE, I tried Alex's (AYT999) balanced L3K's and while it wasn't that different, it was different enough to be fascinated... I don't know here if it was the phones or his cable. We actually didn't use it in balanced mode but rather used an adapter and converted the balanced XLR -> 1/4" TRS [single-ended].

NeilPeart was there... there were definite and interesting differences right dude? I think Alex makes brighter sounding cables, and in many ways this really helps the L3K's.

Neil
post #39 of 121
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Originally Posted by KenW
Mr. Irrelevant....he shoots...HE SCORES!!!! The question is which one or is it both??
No kidding. I wasn't aware the PS-1 was this highly regarded. Unfortunately for me I really need a closed can, but now I really need to try me some PS-1s at a future meet out of curiousity.

So I have some HF-1s on the way (yeah, I know the open can thing, but they're cheap )... so they alot alike, right?
post #40 of 121
Hey Neil,

That info is quite fascinating. I noticed the IC on the L3000s not too long ago. So have you changed your mind?

I have yet to replace the left driver on my L3000, I need to let them burn-in for awhile so it can 'catch up' to the right driver. I was thinking running them a week straight would be fine, but maybe 2 weeks will be the ticket.
post #41 of 121
Well if the offer is right...

No... that interest check was just that, an interest check. At the time I put that up, I imminently thinking about getting an electrostatic amp. Upon further thought, I think I will wait until more is known about how to properly drive these phones. I wasn't that impressed with the blue hawaii with the HE60's. My ears were shell shocked from all the listrning that day too (SF Meet).

Also, for me, the L3K's not only require burn in, but I think my brain needed to burn into the L3K's too! What I mean to say is that the sound takes a little getting used to, or it took a little getting used to for me, coming straight from the hardcore senn camp.

Neil

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Originally Posted by bobeau
Hey Neil,

That info is quite fascinating. I noticed the IC on the L3000s not too long ago. So have you changed your mind?

I have yet to replace the left driver on my L3000, I need to let them burn-in for awhile so it can 'catch up' to the right driver. I was thinking running them a week straight would be fine, but maybe 2 weeks will be the ticket.
post #42 of 121
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Originally Posted by bobeau
No kidding. I wasn't aware the PS-1 was this highly regarded. Unfortunately for me I really need a closed can, but now I really need to try me some PS-1s at a future meet out of curiousity.

So I have some HF-1s on the way (yeah, I know the open can thing, but they're cheap )... so they alot alike, right?
I haven't had the chance to try the HF-1's yet. Missed out on the offering and didn't get a pair but I wouldn't be surprised if the HF-1's sounded EXACTLY like the PS-1's.......before the flames start...I'm kidding!!!
post #43 of 121
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Originally Posted by KenW
I haven't had the chance to try the HF-1's yet. Missed out on the offering and didn't get a pair but I wouldn't be surprised if the HF-1's sounded EXACTLY like the PS-1's.......before the flames start...I'm kidding!!!
I haven't heard the hf-1's and I have missed the excitement and build up for it. When you recieve my Ps-1's then you can compare for yourself between the two.
post #44 of 121
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Originally Posted by GoRedwings19
I haven't heard the hf-1's and I have missed the excitement and build up for it. When you recieve my Ps-1's then you can compare for yourself between the two.
Thanks but I don't think I'll be needing your PS-1's anymore.

Yummmmmmmm!!!!!!!!! Me like....me REALLY like!!
post #45 of 121
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Originally Posted by KenW
Thanks but I don't think I'll be needing your PS-1's anymore.

Yummmmmmmm!!!!!!!!! Me like....me REALLY like!!

Have you managed to buy a set?
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