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New iPod universal dock line-out

post #1 of 23
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I just picked up the new universal dock for iPods and the remote for it.

I may do some audio tests later, but now just want to explain how it works. For the iPod nano and 5G iPod, when you adjust the volume with either the remote or on the iPod itself, the volume of the line-out changes and on the screen you can see the volume level change (as though you were adjusting the headphone volume).

For other iPods with the dock connector, the volume of the line-out changes only when you use the remote, and there is no volume change displayed on the screen.

Sometimes the dock "remembers" what the line-out volume is. So it remains set to what it was the next time you put the iPod in the dock. Sometimes, when you put in the iPod, it go to max volume despite whatever it was set to before. I haven't figured out a pattern or what makes it reset.

In terms of the IR, it's pretty good actually. I'm in a small 16'x15' and the dock is on in the middle of one of the walls next to the. The remote works no matter where I point it as long as I point it to something not too dark. In other words, I can point the remote at the ceiling or the beige carpet or the wall 90 or 180 degrees from the dock and it still picks up the signal just fine.

The dock and remote are pricey ($61 for me, though I needed a dock that fit the 5G iPod anyway, my other docks don't fit it well), but stupid Apple made me buy it. And I mean that literally. I've been wanting a remote for a while, but with the new 5G iPod and dropping of the remote port, I needed a dock that works with all my iPods - nano, 5G, 4G color, 3G - and the only one was Apple's. I wouldn't have minded using a remote receiver that sits on top of the iPod and uses the remote port, although it's not as useful. The only other dock/remote I could think of was the DLO HomeDock which is more expensive.

The stupid thing is that I thought the Menu button on the remote did something! I thought I could press Menu, and then use the + and - buttons to scroll up and down. But I was wrong. The Menu buttond doesn't do a thing.
post #2 of 23
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post #3 of 23
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The volume adjustment of the line-out is logarithmic or exponential rather than linear. So at 50%, I can barely hear anything. It's not too useful that way.
post #4 of 23
Taphil nice shot. Is that a iPod video playing, album art, a photo or something else on the screen?
post #5 of 23
Wonder what sort of effect on sound quality the "in-iPod" line-out volume adjustment would have???

I'd prefer a fixed-level line-out output...I'm telling you, anything that gets in the way of the line-out pathway is going to affect audio quality one way or another. Line-out pathways shouldn't be messed with.

I'd like to hear some sound quality tests to confirm my theories. What's the sound difference between the iPod with Color and the iPod 5G when using an amp?
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by blessingx
Taphil nice shot. Is that a iPod video playing, album art, a photo or something else on the screen?
It's a music video playing, one I bought from iTunes. The on-screen volume and scrubbing appear for a few seconds and then disappear when you adjust either. Video quality is absolute sh*t. A movie I encoded myself gives the same result. Not watchable at all on a 24" widescreen LCD (which has some caveats, but still). Can't imagine it would look any better on a real TV/HDTV plasma, LCD, projection, etc. They look great on the iPod itself though.

I'm pretty sure the adjustable line-out will theoretically degrade sound quality. But I use the line-out to go to my Klipsch computer speakers so I doubt it'll matter. I'll do tests later with my amp and headphones after the ball game.
post #7 of 23
well unless you want a 50mb song on ur ipod no music video will ever look great on a large screen. Can you even put high resolution videos on the new ipod? I haven't researched this myself as I do not plan to buy one . I like the player, I just dont like the price
post #8 of 23
Yeah I'm kinda curious if lesser compressed and 480x480 pixel MPEG4 videos would look better projected than the purchased higher compressed (I assume) 320 x 240 H.264? Likely, though the iPod may downsample. Taphil what settings did you use for your self compressed test if you don't mind me asking?
post #9 of 23
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So I did some quick sound quality tests. My setup is iPod -> Dock -> custom-made silver wire interconnect -> META42 -> HD600. All songs encoded as Nero AAC VBR ~256kbps.

First test is to compare the 4G color and 5G iPod usng the universal dock set to full volume (which is supposedly unadulterated line-out). It was easy to notice that the 5G sounds warmer. Bass is better. With the 4G, bass wasn't as warm. However, its highs sound crisper, but this can sometimes be shrill. I think it's a slight trade-off. For most songs, the extra bass of the 5G sounded better compared to the 4G, but the brighter highs of the 4G sometimes sounded better, especially on songs where bass isn't an important element. Overall, I think the improved bass outweighs the occasional loss of highs or detail of the 4G, which sometimes more than not makes it shrill or tiring on the ears.

Next test is to compare the 5G on an old dock versus the new universal dock. I couldn't really do this test well because my 5G doesn't fit into my 3G dock very well. But they sound similar to me.

So instead, since I have two nanos, I tested one nano in the old dock versus the other nano in the new dock. They do sound the same.

Next up is more talk about videos...
post #10 of 23
Oh.. I also thought the same- i thought that the menu button would do something.

Well, I'm not buying the dock now for sure. What a waste of buttons and how stupid can apple be for forcing people to buy an imac. I don't want an imac! I have pc's, and I stay with pc's, unless they make them apple computers dirt cheap.
post #11 of 23
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So here's another ordeal with getting video onto the iPod.

Tonight I recorded Desperate Housewives (since it was on) with my ATI HDTV tuner card. The video was recorded at the native resolution of 1280x720 (aka HD 720p) and after losslessly cutting out commercials it was 42 mins long and 5.4GB in size.

Using Nero Recode 2 (part of Nero 6 Ultra, incredibly versatle software, worth every penny), I encoded the file to mpeg4, 480x272 (preserving the aspect ratio), 1-pass, 160kbps AAC 48kHz audio, 1.95Mbps video. The iPod supports mpeg4 up to 480x480 and 2.1Mbps. The file ended up to be 640MB. It plays without a hitch in QT, iTunes, and the iPod.

The quality on the iPod is abosultely stunning. Everything is sharp. Almost no pixelation or artifacts. Connected to my LCD, it doesn't look as bad as H.264; rather, it now looks like a VCR recording. I don't know if the video output is actually improved with the higher mpeg4 resolution that the iPod supports, but I think it is. The 320x240 mpeg4 video I made from a 480p HD source doesn't look as good as the 480x272, though it was made as less than half the bitrate.

For the moment, I see no reason to use H.264. It takes longer to encode and isn't supported well by iTunes or the iPod using Videora. It's probably more intensive to decode on the iPod, and so lower bitrate with H.264 might also coincide with higher CPU usage and thus battery life balances out. Plus, it seems that the higher supported resolution and bitrate of mpeg4 may result in noticable improvement in video quality on both the iPod and video out.

Videora itself isn't too flexible with its set presets, but with Nero Recode you can resize, crop, select the audio and video bitrate.

One last note: I think I will put up two sample videos for people to test on their iPod if they want.
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by mightymouse
Oh.. I also thought the same- i thought that the menu button would do something.

Well, I'm not buying the dock now for sure. What a waste of buttons and how stupid can apple be for forcing people to buy an imac. I don't want an imac! I have pc's, and I stay with pc's, unless they make them apple computers dirt cheap.
Haha, your username is also the same as Apple's first two-button (well, multi-button) mouse after decades of thinking one button is better
post #13 of 23
yea, I had that name eons before apple named their demented mouse..

My site used to be listed like fifth on google if you searched mightymouse or mighty mouse... now if you search EITHER one- there is at least 1000 pages of apple baloney. me=pissed.
post #14 of 23
Apple should be bracing itself for more of those frivolous lawsuits at the hands of consumers being misled by the universal dock/ remote. What a complete waste of money. It should at a minimum allow one to skip songs and adjust the volume.

Taphil, thanks for the heads-up.
post #15 of 23
Why does it say 'Menu' on the remote? Is it a non-fuctional button or is the button 'fake' so to speak? That's going to piss off a lot of people. Thanks for the info Taphil
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