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post #16 of 104
the nice thing about singlepower is that you can move up its line without having to resell your amp. Mikhail will take your current singlepower as a trade in and you can slowly move up his line, until you reach the SDS XLR
so you can start with someting lower in his lineup and see if you like it and move up.
post #17 of 104
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Originally Posted by Claus1100xx
the nice thing about singlepower is that you can move up its line without having to resell your amp. Mikhail will take your current singlepower as a trade in and you can slowly move up his line, until you reach the SDS XLR
so you can start with someting lower in his lineup and see if you like it and move up.
is someone getting the itch


...If the HR-2 is any indication as to the rest of Rays amps I would without a doubt have to vote for the SPs... I have a PPX6sn7 and absolutely love it.
post #18 of 104
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Originally Posted by grandenigma1
is someone getting the itch


...If the HR-2 is any indication as to the rest of Rays amps I would without a doubt have to vote for the SPs... I have a PPX6sn7 and absolutely love it.
TLH, you are getting a nice education in this thread on what makes Head-Fi great and not so great.
post #19 of 104
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Originally Posted by sacd lover
The Singlepowers readily respond to tube changes and you can dial in a lush or a more neutral sound with your tube choices. The Singlepower cant be characterized as inherently lush vs accurate....
The Raptor can also be tuberolled, for noticeable change from Ray's preferred and carefully tuned sound (running bugle boy with tung sol's- Woof!).
Either way you go, you're a winner, so don't take this too seriously.
post #20 of 104
TLH,

Well, I think it's been made perfectly clear already but that depends on which sounds better to you. I would characterize the amps in the same way you did on your last post...
post #21 of 104
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Originally Posted by tyrion
TLH, you are getting a nice education in this thread on what makes Head-Fi great and not so great.
Care to explain what you are getting at?

I said, if it were any indication. I have not heard the raptor nor did I claim to have. I was simply saying that I did not like some other of rays products while I have enjoyed various Singlepowers greatly. There is nothing wrong with my comments. I was simply stateing that I love my Singlepower as well as the other ones I have heard and would highly recommend them.
post #22 of 104
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Originally Posted by grandenigma1
Care to explain what you are getting at?

I said, if it were any indication. I have not heard the raptor nor did I claim to have. I was simply saying that I did not like some other of rays products while I have enjoyed various Singlepowers greatly. There is nothing wrong with my comments. I was simply stateing that I love my Singlepower as well as the other ones I have heard and would highly recommend them.
Whatever.
post #23 of 104
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Originally Posted by tyrion
Whatever.
Now now children, play nicely and i'll buy you an icecream

Seriously, all this singlepower/ray samuels tension needs to ease off a tad. A guy can walk into the headphone forums with "Just heard the HD650 and i hate them! Way too distant and uninvolving. Grados are the sound for me!" and the Sennheiser crew will accept that as simply not his flavour of sound, rather than any sort of a criticism of the headphone itself, while the Grado crew will be happy that he found the right kind of sound signature for him, and offer him advice to get the most out of it.

And yet, if someone walks in saying "I really disliked the PPX3, the Raptor sounded soooo much better to me" the Singlepower crew are likely to go up in flames, as would the RSA crew if the reverse was said. Easy, everyone. After all, we all hear things differently, and what sounds like a cmoy with corroded solder joints to one may well sound like an Earmax Anniversary to another (to use a neutral party example)
post #24 of 104
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Originally Posted by Covenant
Now now children, play nicely and i'll buy you an icecream

Seriously, all this singlepower/ray samuels tension needs to ease off a tad. A guy can walk into the headphone forums with "Just heard the HD650 and i hate them! Way too distant and uninvolving. Grados are the sound for me!" and the Sennheiser crew will accept that as simply not his flavour of sound, rather than any sort of a criticism of the headphone itself, while the Grado crew will be happy that he found the right kind of sound signature for him, and offer him advice to get the most out of it.

And yet, if someone walks in saying "I really disliked the PPX3, the Raptor sounded soooo much better to me" the Singlepower crew are likely to go up in flames, as would the RSA crew if the reverse was said.
You're right there is too much tension about this stuff, which is why I have tried to praise what I like and not rip what I don't. It's when people make comments about something they haven't heard, or if they have heard and go out of their way to take a shot that the tension begins. This thread was very even handed, with people trying to give good advice without saying this sucks and that is great. I don't know, I guess I am just to sensitive to what I perceive as a small group of people who take every opportunity to talk in a negative way about one manufacturer. To me, there are much better ways to emphasize your preference for one product or another without, to steal a phrase from politics, going negative. Especially, in a thread that was so neutral. People that have been around here for a while should know that the negative shots are what start problems in threads.

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Originally Posted by Covenant
Easy, everyone. After all, we all hear things differently, and what sounds like a cmoy with corroded solder joints to one may well sound like an Earmax Anniversary to another (to use a neutral party example)
This was the point I was trying to make from the beginning of this thread. This is why it is almost pointless for us to say to guy looking for an amp that this one is the best or that one isn't. But hey, just one apparently angry guys opinion.
post #25 of 104
Another negative effect of the amp wars is that it tends to stifle discussion. I bought an HR-2 from Ray this summer. Started to post impressions, but before I did there was an exchange of "civilities" that left me unwilling to stick my head up. Sad when that happens.

BW
post #26 of 104
is the raptor a transformer coupled amp?
post #27 of 104
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Originally Posted by Covenant
Now now children, play nicely and i'll buy you an icecream

Seriously, all this singlepower/ray samuels tension needs to ease off a tad. A guy can walk into the headphone forums with "Just heard the HD650 and i hate them! Way too distant and uninvolving. Grados are the sound for me!" and the Sennheiser crew will accept that as simply not his flavour of sound, rather than any sort of a criticism of the headphone itself, while the Grado crew will be happy that he found the right kind of sound signature for him, and offer him advice to get the most out of it.

And yet, if someone walks in saying "I really disliked the PPX3, the Raptor sounded soooo much better to me" the Singlepower crew are likely to go up in flames, as would the RSA crew if the reverse was said. Easy, everyone. After all, we all hear things differently, and what sounds like a cmoy with corroded solder joints to one may well sound like an Earmax Anniversary to another (to use a neutral party example)

Not to put fuel on the fire, but I've seen debates/discussions that have gotten just as heated if not moreso, in the headphone forum, especially in respect to Grado/Sennheiser. That said I will say that this whole debate is very funny as people can preceive sounds differently and even within the same thing, can come up with different conclusions as to what is pleasurable and postive and what is not. One thing that I like about this hobby is that there are many many choices at many many price levels from basic CMOYs to amps like the SDS XLR which costs several thousands of dollars. In short I thnk that it's possible to find a set up for you, withthe type of variety out there. All in all I thkn that people tend to forget that this is a more subjective area than they would like it to be.
post #28 of 104
Yes, it is really a silly tension. Childish even, and it is always ignited in the same way: by a subtle insinuation or perhaps a sugar-coated sarcasm.
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Originally Posted by tyrion
..."It's when people make comments about something they haven't heard, or if they have heard and go out of their way to take a shot that the tension begins. This thread was very even handed, with people trying to give good advice without saying this sucks and that is great. I don't know, I guess I am just to sensitive to what I perceive as a small group of people who take every opportunity to talk in a negative way about one manufacturer. To me, there are much better ways to emphasize your preference for one product or another without, to steal a phrase from politics, going negative. Especially, in a thread that was so neutral. People that have been around here for a while should know that the negative shots are what start problems in threads.


This was the point I was trying to make from the beginning of this thread. This is why it is almost pointless for us to say to guy looking for an amp that this one is the best or that one isn't. But hey, just one apparently angry guys opinion. "
post #29 of 104
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Originally Posted by iomusic
is the raptor a transformer coupled amp?
I believe it is OTL.
post #30 of 104
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Originally Posted by grandenigma1
Care to explain what you are getting at?

I said, if it were any indication. I have not heard the raptor nor did I claim to have. I was simply saying that I did not like some other of rays products while I have enjoyed various Singlepowers greatly. There is nothing wrong with my comments. I was simply stateing that I love my Singlepower as well as the other ones I have heard and would highly recommend them.
I try not to get into this discussion because I know it gets heated. But sinced you stated your opinion on the HR-2, I feel the need to express mine.

I am currently in the market for an amp for my HD650 to "upgrade" my HR-2 in this chain: Meridian G08=>HR-2=>HD650. I don't really have a set budget cause I just unloaded about $10K worth of electrostatic headphone rig.

I have auditioned amps costing $900 and upwards of $5K, yes including an SDS-XLR. So far, let us just say I am still making up my mind and waiting to hear the Headroom Balanced Max. Even at this level, none of the amps actually WOW me the same way the HE90 "Orpheus" did -- so amps for the most part, in my current experience, are overrated and need to be compared side by side before making the wallet hurt.

The HR-2 is more than capable of letting the Meridian G08 sound get through. I have used the HR-2 to audition Burmesters, top line Musical Fidelity's, etc. and the HR-2 just gets out of the way lets me hear the player. The HR-2 is not the last word in amplification, but it is dead quiet, does not get hot, and does not occupy a lot of space in my rack. The more I think this through, the more I realize I don't need a Raptor or SDS-XLR or whatever -- the HR-2 is good enough and I am better off getting a Wadia CD player or another headphone instead!

Peace
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