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post #31 of 142
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Originally Posted by Pete7
Not everyone still listens to vinyl. Maybe they do sound best that way, but for people who have embraced the digital revoloution, a remastered CD always sounds better than the original version of the CD.
You can always get a turntable and a capture card and make your own "non-remasters".

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Steve
post #32 of 142
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Originally Posted by Aman


Which Zappa albums are like this??

The original CD release of We're Only In It For The Money. There were a couple of others too, but I forget... Freak Out and Hot Rats probably.

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Steve
post #33 of 142
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Originally Posted by nspindel
It also depends on the particular remaster. You mention the Zep Remasters box set. Absolutely correct, it does suck.

Jimmy Page was pretty pissed off about that box set, because he wasn't consulted at all for the remastering.

So Jimmy did his own remastering of every single Zep studio album and put out another box set, which is really, really good:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=music

!!!!!! I worship you now.
post #34 of 142
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Originally Posted by nspindel
It also depends on the particular remaster. You mention the Zep Remasters box set. Absolutely correct, it does suck.

Jimmy Page was pretty pissed off about that box set, because he wasn't consulted at all for the remastering.

So Jimmy did his own remastering of every single Zep studio album and put out another box set, which is really, really good:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=music
Completely false, sorry.
The mastering is the same between the fragmented box sets, complete box set and single album CDs.
Jimmy Page/ George Marino (George Marino also ruined the AC/DC remasters).
Page wasn't consulted for the original CDs in their rush to market. A gem among those original CDs is the West German Polygram Houses of the Holy (Europe 50014 Atlantic 19130-2), if you can find one.
Mine is not for sale!

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Originally Posted by Jashugan
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Another false audio god dead! Next!
post #35 of 142
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Originally Posted by Pete7
Hey, thanks for pointing out that it was my opinion I was giving. If you and whoever else feel differently, you are certainly entitled to your humble opinion, also. That still doesn't necessarily mean I have to agree. As a former musician with near perfect pitch, for me, remastered editions have always sounded better. Boy, it's so good to know I have an opinion.
Well, considering most everybody with "near perfect pitch" would completely disagree with you, it is not uncommon to point out an 'opinion' like that.

Many of us, including I, are also musicians with such ears. It's plain science that an album with noise reduction would sound worse dynamically and tonally than one without it. If you like a background better than higher quality sound, then you must specify that -- otherwise, most audio nuts and musicians alike will think you are talking about the actual quality of the sound, and not the lack of floor noise.

Which brings me to my next question: Do you really think that the more recessed, noise-reduction tracks sound better than the original mixes?? You may be completely by yourself on this one!

Sure, there are some albums like "A Love Supreme" that were re-mastered by the original recording engineers -- but very few of them live up to that standard. The majority of "re-masters" merely increase volume, decrease noise, and lower dynamics in order to meet the average consumer base's demands - music that can be cranked louder!
post #36 of 142
Remasters are good if needed, or good if done specifically to get the most out of the recording (rather than making it louder, or cutting out the low-end for digital silence when there should be hiss).

Otherwise, they're a gimmick (but one that sometimes works).

As for the second post: Soundgarden remasters? Where? A nice remaster of Badmotorfinger would be outstanding, FI.
post #37 of 142
Remasters can be good, but a lot of them are just louder than the original mixes, so they don't really sound better, just louder.
post #38 of 142
Maybe I don't have my facts straight on Page being consulted for that "Remasters" box set. But I will tell you one thing - the grey boxed set that I posted the link to with every studio album is fantastic. It's been out for years, I've never heard or read a single negative thing about it. It's really good....
post #39 of 142
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Originally Posted by Jigglybootch
Remasters can be good, but a lot of them are just louder than the original mixes, so they don't really sound better, just louder.
i can say one thing in this regard.

the remaster of Cynic's Focus sounds absolutely incredible in comparison to the original recording. superior instrument separation, clarity, texture, and 'fullness'.
post #40 of 142
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Originally Posted by pabbi1
Without a doubt - I have those remasters, along with several .... More detail, less noise, better control (shimmer, decay, etc), and tighter bass.

I do not listen to anything other than the remastered versions anymore.
I am glad I havn't heard the original Close to the Edge then
post #41 of 142
All I know is that I am waiting for the remasters of Led Z. on SACD. Oh yeah.
post #42 of 142
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Originally Posted by nspindel
Maybe I don't have my facts straight on Page being consulted for that "Remasters" box set. But I will tell you one thing - the grey boxed set that I posted the link to with every studio album is fantastic. It's been out for years, I've never heard or read a single negative thing about it. It's really good....
Keep looking.
I don't mean to be a bugger on this issue really. The majority opinions will depend upon where the question is being asked. Within the audiophile type you'd find about 70%-80% prefering the non-remasters. I don't find the differences night and day that's for sure and the differences vary with each album (I think I prefer the remastered 'Presence', I'd have to A-B it again). It's been a long time since I read the commentary of the engineer who did the original CDs. I recall him mentioning how their familiarity with digital audio was not then what it is now, they did the best they could at the time. The remasters aren't that bad IMO. I'd recommend the gray box as well.

I love Zep too much maybe. And I'm not even fully satisfied with the Classic records 200gram reissued vinyl!
post #43 of 142
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Originally Posted by eyeteeth
Within the audiophile type you'd find about 70%-80% prefering the non-remasters.
That may be too high. 50%-70%?

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I don't find the differences night and day that's for sure and the differences vary with each album.
I most definitely prefer the non-remastered Physical Graffiti easily. Get it cheap 2nd hand and play it loud.

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I'd recommend the gray box as well.
A purist I suppose but I have the Japanese mini replica LP versions of the CDs with inner sleeves. How can there be a Physical Graffiti with out those sliding pictures through windows!
Same Page/Marino mastering though.
post #44 of 142
I'll have to listen more closely to the LZ Page-Merino remaster (mine is just a 2 disc set). I simply thought the acoustic guitar was better (which is my ONLY interest in LZ, BTW). And, I skip over anything from LZ2, which is of no interest either, nor anything post 'Physical Grafitti'.

You got me on the AC/DC, since it was disappointing, so that statement is withdrawn.

Now, if only Virgin will hurry along that 'Sticky Fingers' SACD, or a quality remaster.
post #45 of 142
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Originally Posted by Aman
Which brings me to my next question: Do you really think that the more recessed, noise-reduction tracks sound better than the original mixes?? You may be completely by yourself on this one!
The sad thing is that it doesn't have to be that way. In the past decade, noise reduction technology has improved dramatically. The latest CEDAR package is extremely powerful in the right hands... In the hands of the chimps that remaster a lot of the CDs I seem to end up stuck with, it's a different story.

See ya
Steve
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