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post #106 of 1340
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Originally Posted by boodi
in fact I'm tempted to get a number of these chinese revelations , do a review and resell all of them bar one I'd keep the best

Much cheaper to just buy a plane ticket for about $500-700, hang around my place, and go listen to equipment at the stores till your ears bleed. Oh and write lots of reviews.

Or if you read Chinese, check out the Chinese headphone/audio forums.
post #107 of 1340
Well I got the D1.3 now. I'm warming it up and letting it burnin.
post #108 of 1340
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Originally Posted by lan
Well I got the D1.3 now. I'm warming it up and letting it burnin.
so let's say that now I'll wait at least your impression and comparo to make a choice
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post #109 of 1340
What? Maybe I shouldn't have said I got it so you could've gotten the other ones

I'm waiting for Jahn to pass over the DAC-AH stock and I'll have stock and modded 0404 here. Nothing else I have is stock so it's not fair comparisions. I also have Grace m902 that's a teeny bit not stock. It has powercord and better clock PSU bypass caps.
post #110 of 1340
ok-but it's just to get an idea of quality of what we get from china for so low cash spent .. your opinion and comparo with even modded sources is useful
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post #111 of 1340
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Originally Posted by lan
I'm waiting for Jahn to pass over the DAC-AH stock and I'll have stock and modded 0404 here.
Your impressions/comparisons between these would be really helpful to me. I am currently considering the Zhaolu D1.3, Lite DAC-AH, or the HeadRoom Micro DAC. I know you had the Overture, but close enough.

The Lite DAC-60 is also on my radar, but nobody seems to have any experience with this one.

I look forward to your impressions.
post #112 of 1340
I have Jahn's DAC-AH now. We had a little micro meet a few hours ago. I also have my own DAC-AH.

It was a quick impression but it was a near draw. As usual with sources it depends what your priorities are. I'll write more after dinner.
post #113 of 1340
Zhaolu D1.3, Lite DAC-AH - I like both of em.

Not very helpful, eh? Well the Zhaolu reminded me alot of the Tushi - remember a while ago I tried to describe the differences between the modded 0404 and the Tushi, and I said the only difference I could hear was that the Tushi was more "rounded?" Well, this is the same situation - the "shape" of the notes seemed to be rounded off - not rolled off, just rounded. I liked the bass presence, but the quality of the bass was...rounded lol. This was even more evident when comparing the Zhaolu's integrated headphone amp to the Stax rig (with Zhaolu as the DAC source). When the bass kicked in with the kick drum in SRV's Voodoo Chile, both amps had the bass thump. But the Stax had a level of reality and detail that the integrated amp didn't have - like the plastic skin of the kick drum stretching when struck by the felt tom. That said, the DAC putting out the analog signal that let the Stax show that was the Zhaolu. The DAC-AH may not have had that level of detail but it didn't seem to be as rounded in the bass (not muddy - rounded) and not as big either (more warm than bassy).

How's that for on the fly? The highs with the DAC-AH were tamed versus the Zhaolu, but the Zhaolu seemed "airier" or "more detail" due to the highs - but it could have been "artificial highs" due to an unbalanced skewing of highs versus the DAC-AH.

All in all, I'm still happy with the DAC-AH compared to the Zhaolu stock, and I'd still want to get a separate amp versus the integrated one in the Zhaolu. And english please - we called the analog output RCAs wrong the first time lol (it's the second vertical pair to the end, not the one furthest to the end). The optical digital in had no probs, and I like the swing hatch thing versus the losable plug action on the DAC-AH. The Zhaolu didn't look like it had a toggle to go between the coax and the optical - just plug one in or the other, versus the DAC-AH's dual input and toggle switch. Both cases are nice and metal and pro-looking with non-offensive LEDs. Both have removable power cords, so you can upgrade here at will (I have Quails incoming for this purpose).

Lan is modding the DAC-AH so we'll be able to use our fading memories to spot improvements. I can't wait to tuberoll the Melos to go with the modded DAC and the modded 0404 (2nd round to improve the digital route in there) - the STAX is just fine the way it is for now, yay! And yes it kicks the Baby O system's butt, mainly because of the HEV70, which sucketh.
post #114 of 1340
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Nice jahn

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How's that for on the fly? The highs with the DAC-AH were tamed versus the Zhaolu, but the Zhaolu seemed "airier" or "more detail" due to the highs - but it could have been "artificial highs" due to an unbalanced skewing of highs versus the DAC-AH.



I have had goodluck using a zobel network connected to my speakers.
post #115 of 1340
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Originally Posted by RogerWilco
Nice jahn

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How's that for on the fly? The highs with the DAC-AH were tamed versus the Zhaolu, but the Zhaolu seemed "airier" or "more detail" due to the highs - but it could have been "artificial highs" due to an unbalanced skewing of highs versus the DAC-AH.



I have had goodluck using a zobel network connected to my speakers.
yep my plan is the DAC-AH as source to the melos as preamp to the T-Amp to power the speakers.
post #116 of 1340
Lil update - now that I have no external DAC or soundcard in the house (off with Lan for modding) I am forced into this chain-

iPod
Sik Din
Magwires 1/8 to RCA
Melos Preamp
Audioquest Diamondback ICs
STAX SRM-1/MKII
STAX SR-Lambda Pros

Yeah, that's right. iPod. Well, it definitely has bass, but zero detail as compared to either the 0404, or DAC-AH, or Zhaolu. Actually, this rig reminds me of the 0404 digital out to Zhaolu to the HF-1 from the Zhaolu's integrated headphone amp out. Still has bass, but no realism, no detail.

Conclusion? iPod's DAC can't hang with the big boys, and if you are using one for your home rig, there are plenty of alternatives that can improve things from $150-300.
post #117 of 1340
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Originally Posted by Jahn
Lil update - now that I have no external DAC or soundcard in the house (off with Lan for modding) I am forced into this chain-

iPod
Sik Din
Magwires 1/8 to RCA
Melos Preamp
Audioquest Diamondback ICs
STAX SRM-1/MKII
STAX SR-Lambda Pros

Yeah, that's right. iPod. Well, it definitely has bass, but zero detail as compared to either the 0404, or DAC-AH, or Zhaolu. Actually, this rig reminds me of the 0404 digital out to Zhaolu to the HF-1 from the Zhaolu's integrated headphone amp out. Still has bass, but no realism, no detail.
Jahn- Little confused. When you said the ipod rig, which you found lacks detail and emotion (which I am assuming is due to the ipod source), reminded you of the 0404 > Zhalou > HF-1 then I'd have to conclude based on what you said that either the Zhalou as a DAC does suck as a source (lacks emotion and detail) or that the Zhalou's headphone amp section basically sucks and kills everything?? You following me here? Read again what you wrote. Just trying to figure this out as I have interest in the Zhalou! Thanks!
post #118 of 1340
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Originally Posted by Sean H
Jahn- Little confused. When you said the ipod rig, which you found lacks detail and emotion (which I am assuming is due to the ipod source), reminded you of the 0404 > Zhalou > HF-1 then I'd have to conclude based on what you said that either the Zhalou as a DAC does suck as a source (lacks emotion and detail) or that the Zhalou's headphone amp section basically sucks and kills everything?? You following me here? Read again what you wrote. Just trying to figure this out as I have interest in the Zhalou! Thanks!
Zhalou DAC is fine. HF-1 is cool (just couldn't use the STAX out of the Zhalou's headphone out hehe).

Zhalou's integrated headphone amp = arse.
post #119 of 1340
So Jahn,

Would you think that the zhaolu dac would be a good balanced input for a balanced m3?
post #120 of 1340
This proves that system matching is key. A nice DAC is important, but it has to be paired with the right amp too, etc.

I'm not Team Source First. I'm Team Weak Link Last. If you are playing "one of these is not like the others, one of these does not belong" then you are one step closer to rig synergy, no matter what your price point.
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