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post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by Chri5peed
Few questions...
  • Has anyone got one, make much difference from the stock cable?
  • How much do they roughly cost?

Well only 2 questions! I'd be grateful if anyone knows the answers!

Moon Audio also has the Cardas v.2, for $149.

There have been a couple of very thorough reviews on Senn replacement cables. I think the main phones for reviewing have been the 600 and 650.

Some members comment on the the 580 and cables.

Another one

JaZZ listens to Zu Mobius, Silver Dragon and Oehlbach cables.

Ross speaks about the Blue Dragon v.2 and referrers too his earlier big copper cable review.

Amember who finds the 650 stock cable not bad at all.

EDIT: RnB´s cable. Interesting.
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by Thaddy
Using the line out from my Karma, as well as my modded 0404 into my old PPA, I could barely tell a difference. Yeah, the difference was there, but I really think you're going overboard here. It's not a tenfold increase, bottom line, and I think some other members would agree with me as well. Yes, you will pick up on small improvements here and there, but it's not a 100% all across the spectrum huge increase in sound quality.
I agree too, "10-fold increase" is ridiculous.

Particularly as one of the rare people who have tried a few replacements and *like* the sound of the HD580/600 stock cable (a bit thin sounding yes, but very airy and excellent front-to-back imaging). My assumption all along is that Sennheiser intended the HD580/600 to sound like it does stock, and note that many well known reviewers have given these cans high marks using the stock cable.

Edit -- that's not to say you won't get an improvement using a replacement cable. Myself, I noted a series of tradeoffs, which is common to audio: For example, the Oehlbach improved bass and solidified the whole spectrum, at the expense of airyness and 3D imaging. I can see why many people would consider it an improvement, but I didn't.
post #18 of 22
I've finally given up on my Cardas cable after a week, and gone back to Stock on my 650. I seem to be hypersensitive to high frequencies, and get a headache and 'pressure' on my eardrums very easily, so I suppose I'm not going to get on with any cable that increases any part of the high treble frequency response. I suppose I should be happy at the money savings!

Anyway, good luck for the 580, but don't write off the stock cable just because it can be unplugged so easily...
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by Thaddy
I guess I forgot to mention that I previously owned the HD580's for 1.5 years. During that time, I had went from using the stock cable, to (at one point) owning the Oehlbach, Headphile, and Clou Blue cables.

Using the line out from my Karma, as well as my modded 0404 into my old PPA, I could barely tell a difference. Yeah, the difference was there, but I really think you're going overboard here. It's not a tenfold increase, bottom line, and I think some other members would agree with me as well. Yes, you will pick up on small improvements here and there, but it's not a 100% all across the spectrum huge increase in sound quality.
It's generally acknowledged that the Oelbach, Headphile, Smurf, and Clou Blue cables are not the last word in Senn replacement cables, and perhaps that's why some of the participants in this thread are having such a difficult time with my ten fold increase claim - they've never actually heard what a good cable can do for the 580's. For commercial cables I've owned the Cardas and the Moon Silver Dragon, and with both of those cables there was a huge improvement in sound quality over the stock cable no matter how good or bad the system was used to listen to them on. I've also built five DIY cables for my 580's, and to my ears with each and every one of those cables there was again at least a ten fold increase in sound quality over the stock cable. I think many members would agree that the stock 580/600 cable sounds thin, dark, dull, closed in, and features a midbass hump, and the replacement cables that I've heard dramatically improved each and everyone of those shortcomings.
The bottom line is that folks have every right to say that they haven't heard dramatic increases in sound quality with the cables they've auditioned on their 580's, but they don't have the right to deny that someone else doesn't hear dramatic increases in sound quality with the cables that they've auditioned on their 580's. Ridiculous indeed.
post #20 of 22
Sound quality 10 times the HD-580 would be something in the range of an Orpheus 3 with a 100k tube amp powered off a dedicated nuclear power plant.

PS: I've owned the Zu, Blue Dragon 2, and have demoed the Silver Dragon, Cardas, and a DIY.
post #21 of 22
I own the SD cable and am using it with the HD-580 currently.

While I question how any improvements in sound quality can be summed up so conveniently quantitatively in number (10x?), I'd prefer to say that the SD cable improves resolution and soundstage noticably with trade off in smoothness and cable flexibility. The stock cables for the HD580 & HD650, however, are good in their own different ways too and are in no way vastly inferior to the popular replacement cables (can you say, 10% the performance? ).

Regards.
post #22 of 22

Can anyone tell me a good place to get these in S. Ontario?

 

Thanks,

Sir Galahed

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