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Electrocompaniet 24/192 EMC CDP

post #1 of 13
7/7/02 at 2:14pm
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Found this new review by Clement Perry very interesting at
Stereotimes.com

EMC 24/192 CDP

Here is an upsampling CDP that the author compares to his reference Sony SCD1 SACD player, and when comparing many albums on both players found the CDP beat the SACD. Read article for more info.

Is it worth it to spend 5K for CDP that may make many of your existing CDs sound like SACD?
(if you have a large existing CD collection it is tempting)
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post #2 of 13
7/7/02 at 2:31pm
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The one reason I would hesitate is like computers, in another 1-2yrs Electrocompaniet may release model for 2.5K that sounds even better........although I have to think we are getting technically close to the end of what can be done to improve the sound of standard CD format.
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post #3 of 13
7/7/02 at 2:42pm
sounds great, you should try to find more reviews and compare them, then hit AA and see what those freaks say, then contact this guy :

Store Jason Scott Distributing
Contact Allan Warshaw
Telephone + 18 003 599 154
Fax + 12 15 8362 273
E-mail alan4zid1@comcast.net

and see if you can try it at your home, if you like then go for it!
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post #4 of 13
7/7/02 at 2:44pm
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Originally posted by DarkAngel
The one reason I would hesitate is like computers, in another 1-2yrs Electrocompaniet may release model for 2.5K that sounds even better........although I have to think we are getting technically close to the end of what can be done to improve the sound of standard CD format.

read this :

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Upgradable by your local dealer or distributor.
So don't worry about that!
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post #5 of 13
7/7/02 at 6:58pm
Could be a promising alternative so I did some fast searching. Maybe could be something for me, produced in Scandinavia.

1. If you bought the previous version of the CDP from 1999 it is now upgadable to the upsamping version.
2. Price in Norway seems to be around $3300 (with upsampling, without VAT).
3. Previous version got very high scores in German Stereoplay magazine. Better performance on CD than Sony SCD 1, but performance on SACD was a little better than CD performance on the old version Electrocompaniet.
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post #6 of 13
7/8/02 at 1:20am
Wow, this CD player looks like it's pretty awesome. It seems like $5000 is the magic number for excellence in one-box CD players nowadays.

I wonder how this bad boy compares to other heavy hitters in this general price range (i.e. Levinson, Wadia, Cary, Meridian, Musical Fidelity NuVistor, etc).

I'd like to hear it, but I don't think Electrocompaniet has many dealers (in the US, at least).
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post #7 of 13
7/8/02 at 2:30am
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Originally posted by JohnActon

I'd like to hear it, but I don't think Electrocompaniet has many dealers (in the US, at least).
The name and number that I listed is their only one, if you really want to hear it, I suggest you e-mail him.
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post #8 of 13
7/8/02 at 2:36am
Thanks, KR!
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post #9 of 13
7/8/02 at 3:35am
Electrocompaniet has had problems maintaining a distributor and a dealer network over the years. I've had Electrocompaniet electronics for over 15 years, and they're still sounding good (although my stuff is from before they did any digital at all). Previous distributors include Karen Sumner (president of Transparent Audio, now known for their inexpensive cables), and Mel Schilling (formerly of Music and Sound Imports, now with Camelot Audio Technology).
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post #10 of 13
7/9/02 at 2:11am
I take issue with the review because of something I'm finding commonly said over on Audo Asylum and by reviewers in general:
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Nevertheless, the EMC1 manages to take any standard 16/44 disc, upsample them to 24/192, and sonically outperform SACD’s in side-by-side comparisons.
Let me first say I don't know the reviewer and I'm not really familiar with the publication or background. I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt, though. I'll believe that in his opinion, the EMC1 outperformered his Sony SCD-1's SACD performance on the recordings he tried.

But... that isn't what he said. What he said and what he and many others seem to generalize is that this one player outperformed the entire format of SACD. Maybe you're one of those people who think SACD is actually not as good a format as CD. We could debate that somewhere. Most people aren't of that belief, though.

So then what do we really have? What if they made an SACD player? Then would we not have something even better?

I simply don't understand what seems to be malicious anti-SACD intent in the minds of many reviewers. Sure, it's better than the SCD-1, fine--I believe you. Why on earth would we believe that the SCD-1 is as good as SACD can be? Why condemn the format on the whole?

Ok, so that was my soapbox. I'll wait for John to review the player, though.
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post #11 of 13
7/9/02 at 12:19pm
I don't think the reviewer is blasting the SACD format at all. He doesn't write "Death to SACD!" or "SACD is for suckers", rather, I think his tone is more along the lines of: the EMC1 is a superb CD player because it outperforms a player based on a technically superior format.

I think many people feel that the PCM format itself has been taken as far as it can go. While correct, perhaps there should be more careful consideration given to the analog output stage than the technical theory, as this review seems to show. Even an SACD player with a terrible output stage will still manage to sound terrible.
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post #12 of 13
7/9/02 at 12:28pm
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Originally posted by yage
I don't think the reviewer is blasting the SACD format at all. He doesn't write "Death to SACD!" or "SACD is for suckers", rather, I think his tone is more along the lines of: the EMC1 is a superb CD player because it outperforms a player based on a technically superior format.

I think many people feel that the PCM format itself has been taken as far as it can go. While correct, perhaps there should be more careful consideration given to the analog output stage than the technical theory, as this review seems to show. Even an SACD player with a terrible output stage will still manage to sound terrible.
Yage
I agree with your second paragraph entirely. If that author had stated what you say his tone represents, then I'd agree with that too. But what he actually said was that the EMC1 was better than SACD. This, to me, implies that the author thinks either a) all SACD players are alike or b) SCD-1 is as good as SACD could be. In either case, it's a popular myth.
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post #13 of 13
8/16/02 at 8:47pm
Electrocompaniet has now released a DAC version for 1700 Euro. It has got a favourable review in German magazine Stereoplay, a little step better than Wadia 301 and two steps better than Musical Fidelity A3-24 upsampling DAC.
Model number is ECD 1
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