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post #46 of 64
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Pigmode~

Since that thread is closed ( about time) I couldnt reply in time
but ya, I have no problem with the new forum color scheme over at Headwize I do applaud Chu for that! I run several forums myself so I know what a pain in the ass it is to work the forum color scheme. It is easier on the eyes now at 3am in the morning than old color scheme ( I used to turn my contrast and brightness down a lot in the old time reading HW late at night)

Tides
post #47 of 64
UT for sure. I was running a server myself for almost a year (it was in top 50 once, usually around 100 - server, not me).

By the way - HeadWize seems to load terribly slow now.
post #48 of 64
I like audioasylum too, however only to a point. I value headwize more as it has a very different atmosphere. It is MY opinion that audioasylum is plagued by hype amongst other things. There are also plenty of visible status quo's within the organization to my eyes, reasons for which I will only remain a spectator. Finally I am not blind to see that the hype on that forum has a real reflection when it comes to all sorts of sales even on entirely different sites/organizations.

There is a difference in atmosphere...when I read about a headwize user who finds some great new hot item and describes how it compares to what they had before. I normally am more trusting of it. When I read some AA posts on a new hyped up item...well lets just say it is just that...hype. If someone goes on Headwize and posts about a great sale or offer, I usually jump at it if it appeals to me and I've been rewarded greatly as I've hit some awesome deals because of headwize. When I read AA posts, I sit back and wait for dust to settle and sometimes feel like I have to pick out fact from fiction. This isn't to say that I will always agree with a fellow headwize/fier's opinions, but at least I know where they are coming from where I sometimes feel like in AA they are coming out of the blue.

Now MAYBE the differing atmospheres has absolutely NOTHING to do with commercialization. And indeed AudioAsylum is pretty damn good regardless. However I do like what Headwize offers more than AA. So in analogy lets just say that if these forums were CD players...I do not know if I would risk tweaking Headwize to run more efficiently like AA, if I like the way Headwize sounds to my ears more than AA. Course I wouldn't want the player to be broken either...so I'd probably leave it up to the original designer on how it would be fixed.
post #49 of 64
Tides, it's cool. I know now you were just expressing fustration.

I would vote for Q3 but an east coast server would play havoc with my ping.
post #50 of 64
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Originally posted by thomas
Jude, i know there are many problems with hosting a large forum, and bandwidth costs are expensive. But i think what CMOY has done to build up this community is really admirable, and is one of the main reasons that it is so successful today. And many of my previous comments i made when i felt that people were not giving him the credit he rightly deserves...

I am just being naive and hoping that there would be someone out there who would continue devoting so much of their effort to promoting the hobby, without any intent of making money out of it.

And i get really mad when people take his work for granted, and critize him for somthing that is really out of his control...
I've done nothing but commend him on his efforts. I'm just kindly requesting the permission to import the archives here so that they're always available.

I don't expect anyone to choose sides. Heck, *I* still post on both. As dhwilkin stated, we have the means here to make the archives (pre-6/20/01) always available for access/searching, which is why I'm asking to be able to do that.

Chu and I (and you and I) have a difference of opinions on sponsors. I fully believe that it can be done without compromising the integrity of the forums (and at some point will likely become necessary). As I've said before, if he doesn't want to do that, I'm totally cool with it, and totally respect his position. I've offered help to Chu, and, like many of you, I offered donations as well. Our only difference (that I can see at this point) appears to be our position on sponsors.

And I'll say it again -- I'm not in this to make a living at all. I already have a job. And I don't mind too much paying for this forum at the level it's at now (notice that there are no sponsors here). But I fully expect growth. And as we need, for example, another server, more storage, more bandwidth, and so more rackspace too, it will be too expensive for me to run out-of-pocket, and it won't stop there either if left to grow. Whether or not you like reading that, it is almost unavoidable at some point.

As rick said in his message, we should thank Chu for his efforts -- I've said this many times before myself. And I want both forums to continue -- didn't anyone else notice that the purely duplicate posts across both forums were starting to decrease significantly?

This place was started for one reason, and one reason only: I saw it as providing the best odds at permanence for the forums. I don't think it unreasonable to kindly ask for the permission to download archives into Head-Fi, especially given the fact that HeadWize has been experiencing some downtime from mods and bandwidth cost issues. Whether or not he grants that permission is fully up to him, but it is also my position that the threads here, at HeadWize, at Audio Asylum, and any other public forum, are largely the property of the community (if not legally, then at least in spirit). If he doesn't grant permission to import the archives, then that's what it is -- nothing more I can do about that. But it's also likely a good solution to the issue of archive overload after it's back up, as someone else stated earlier.
post #51 of 64
I personally feel that the best threads should be put into "article" form.....different from the normal threads. I mean, some of those threads are just precious.

Neruda - I'm sorry, I just completely disagree with you. Chu isn't "not with the times." HE started a forum...and it became a success. HE was innovator.....and his amp is still being made today. HE aint god......no. And he isn't any more special.

But I think it is very foolish for ANY of us to take drastic stances. I mean, come on. It's his forum. I trust that his love for the hobby is going to overpower his love for "non-commercialization" and all the other stuff he wants. It's all good......but I think he'll give in.

If he doesn't, that's all right, since there are PLENTY of people who will d-load everything on headwize they want as soon as it opens.

Let jude and cmoy work this out. Tides - I think this whole thread is unnecessary. Jude is a great guy, we all know that. Chu is, too - if you disagree, then you are......slightly mistaken, perhaps...

Overall - let things work themselves out.

What's the worst that can happen with two great guys, a wealth of information, and two awesome forums?

- coolvij :>)

p.s. Tides - your initial post on headwize was very harsh, IMHO. unnecessarily so, also IMO. In retrospect, I think it is a testament to the type of people both jude and cmoy are by looking at the two threads (cmoy's first reply has a smiley! jude - level-headed throughout this thread....).
post #52 of 64
the thing is rick, chu doesn't seeem to want help. none of the moderator applicants ever received an email or anything back from him after the first little "application" email. I even talked to him way before all that asking if I could become a moderator solely for the purpose or removing useless threads from the archives to save space. He refuses to take anyone else's money, time, or effort in any way, and that's just rediculous.

Even with sponsorship, this forum will stay as clean as it's always been. you'll never see a popup window or a banner ad. But head-fi will get the money it needs to get its own dedicated servers or anything it may require. what's so bad about that? can anybody tell me? I mean, what would you choose: having the forums constantly going down and going back up and losing information or having information taken from you for long periods of time...or a nice, reliable forum that's always there, always fast, and always ready for growth? Headwize could certainly be that forum, but I doubt that it will. Personally, I still like headwize. I don't want to choose sides, and I'm trying not to (because it's totally rediculous!). But I am saying that I think Jude knows what this forum needs better than Chu does. I hate to say it, but I think it's true. Nothing I've seen yet has given me a reason to think otherwise. I love what he's done for this community, but he's certainly not doing anything to help us right now. I also loved the no-commercial policy, but it's not realistic. we certainly could have no ads on head-fi and have Jude stop paying for everything the way he has been, and see how long it lasts. So, make your choice: is it better to have no advertisements, or no forum?
post #53 of 64

I appreciate.....

.....all the opinions expressed in this thread and on its sister thread at HeadWize.

At the end of the day -- as all things eventually do -- it will all work itself out somehow.
post #54 of 64
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At the end of the day -- as all things eventually do -- it will all work itself out somehow.
Exactly.
post #55 of 64
I like this attitude.
That's what all people say.... shortly before they drown
post #56 of 64
Ah, fairweather friends.

The fact remains that, sorry to say, our preferences aren't the answer to Chu's problems.
His ideology, his rules, his work to let us all post in the first place, his site.

Suggest all you want, but don't get angry just because you don't get your way. I'm sure cmoy can pull up his own bootstraps. At least he's big enough to wear the boots in the first place. As is Jude and any who create these spaces for us.

If you want to be a tyrant, get your own site.
post #57 of 64
Right on, huy_ha.

I think everyone should just forget about the threads of old - once they're up, save them if you want them so bad. Let jude and cmoy work it out......it's all good, eventually.
post #58 of 64
forget about the old threads, coolvij? you obviously don't know how amazing some of those conversations are. did you ever read the thread where darth nut interviewed jimbo?
post #59 of 64
Hmm... I'm not impressed!!

C'mon... snap out of it... (and I mean no offense to any person, or either forum) but... christ, its only a couple of headphone forums! get a god damned perspective!!

C'mon... think with your heads, and not your arses... If you went to the same store month after month to by a certain product... they suddenly ran out of stock, but the store next door had a supply... Sure, you'd go there, but you wouldn't BOYCOTT the first shop because they were out of stock... same as, when the shop was re-stocked you wouldn't PURPOSELY ignore the shop to SPITE it would you? You'd know you could go to ONE OR THE OTHER

Is there ANY difference to THIS circumstance? Most of us have migrated here from HeadWize... and we have URLs to BOTH sites on our Favorites list i should imagine... Sure, if we want the archives on Headwize, we have to be patient... but... Give Chu some space guys... He's doing this off of his own back!!

Same with Head-Fi... Jude (and Neil??) are hosting this in a way that they want with there own ideas... Let them be if Chu goes one way and Jude goes another, so be it!

This is worse than being at Kindergarten all of this bickering... What are we here for? to moan about site A doing one thing and site B doing something different... Or... Are we hear to obtain knowledge of musical equipment?

I just get fed up sometimes (now being one of them). What are we trying to do here? BUILD a community (between the TWO sites) or... self destruct it? I think I see which way its going at the moment!!
post #60 of 64
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Duncan said...

C'mon... think with your heads, and not your arses... If you went to the same store month after month to by a certain product... they suddenly ran out of stock, but the store next door had a supply... Sure, you'd go there, but you wouldn't BOYCOTT the first shop because they were out of stock... same as, when the shop was re-stocked you wouldn't PURPOSELY ignore the shop to SPITE it would you? You'd know you could go to ONE OR THE OTHER
Did I miss something? Who was talking about actually boycotting Headwize or Head-fi? I don't think anybody here would actually carry a grudge over this.

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Duncan said...

Is there ANY difference to THIS circumstance?
If you were talking about the archives, then technically, yes. The "store" does have it in stock, it's just not allowing anybody to access it, even though everybody knows the "stock" could be used at anytime. And this just seems wasteful to some people.

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C'mon... snap out of it... (and I mean no offense to any person, or either forum) but... christ, its only a couple of headphone forums! get a god damned perspective!!
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I just get fed up sometimes (now being one of them). What are we trying to do here? BUILD a community (between the TWO sites) or... self destruct it? I think I see which way its going at the moment!!
No offense meant, but isn't your last statement exactly what your first statement was aimed at?
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