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post #16 of 64
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Originally posted by Tides
pigmode~

That was aggresive ? hmm you oughta see my original version ! lol..

Tides

Hey Tides, No problems, but it seems this whole situation will end badly if we continue with this in-your-face posturing.
post #17 of 64
Thread Starter 
Redwood~

I believe aos is talking about *before* the forum shut down that happend over at Headwize a while ago.

the DIY forum is *extremely* resourceful and really excellent to read along with the Project Page.

I been saving informative threads here@Headfi since day 1 Not saying Headfi will go down or whatnot, but I feel better knowing I have these valueable discussions on my HD and CDR.
Anytime I want to read, anywhere~!

Tides
post #18 of 64
Before, of course! Chu knows very well what will happen when he opens up the floodgates, that is exactly why he's holding them back! I don't think crawlers work on forum (at least not if you want archived stuff up to a year ago) so the need for hours of manual labour prevented me from doing it.
post #19 of 64
Tides:

I just want to prevent that the moment the archives go online again, 20 different people make their own personal back ups.
Chu's hosting costs will skyrocket and he will have to close down again.

Edit:
Oh, I see the archives are up and running.
Hopefully nobody's gonna run a script to copy all the data
post #20 of 64
Thread Starter 
Redwood~ that is why I suggested maybe a restricted access as an alternative. Like 5 members per day or something. This way at least the bandwidth level is at a *control* state. and the Flooding will not happen.

I dont want Chu to pay more than what he has to too !

Tides
post #21 of 64
The only person that should be allowed to make a back-up of the forum data right now is jude. He is the only person who has the resources to share it w/ the entire community. Keeping all that data for yourself would be quite selfish, since you'd be costing cmoy bandwidth and everybody else knowledge.
post #22 of 64
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Originally posted by thomas
I've never thought about headwize in that way, CHU built up this community, if he wants to take a year before restoring the archives, that's his right.

Yes Chu is trying to keep his site non-commercial, to keep the integrity of the forums. I'm glad that someone in this audiophile community isn't just obsessed with making money.
no, it's not his right. we were the ones that posted all of those threads, those are our conversations, and it's our right to have them accessible, in any way possible. He started Headwize, but he's keeping them from us because he's unwilling to accept that times are changing. We're not a small forum and he can't continue believing that it is. We're going to need advertising at some point, even if it isn't now (although I believe it is). Accept it!

And I'm sick of people questioning Jude's integrity, man. keep those comments to yourself.
post #23 of 64
I agree with dhwilkin.
Jude should copy the archives *and* chu should keep them online.
As soon as they are copied the traffic that they cause will naturally decrease by 50% (or more , I use HF more than HW)

Later jude can decide whether he wants to let people make personal back ups from him (I guess it's a lot cheaper for him than for chu)
post #24 of 64
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Neruda said...

no, it's not his right. we were the ones that posted all of those threads, those are our conversations, and it's our right to have them accessible, in any way possible.
Now you're talking about ownership. OK, let me ask you this: A thread contains a post from you and from cmoy. You want it accessible, cmoy doesn't. Now who exactly should get what they want? There is no clear-cut owner of this data, it's basically public domain. And I'd love to see the exact statement in some legal document that gives you the right to full control over those threads.

Now, don't get me wrong, I really wish cmoy would let jude back-up the archives onto Head-fi and be done w/ it. I agree w/ you in wanting access. But you don't run Headwize, and you don't pay for the data storage. cmoy does, and you know the old saying that possession is nine/tenths of the law...
post #25 of 64
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Originally posted by Redwoood
I agree with dhwilkin.
Jude should copy the archives *and* chu should keep them online.
As soon as they are copied the traffic that they cause will naturally decrease by 50% (or more , I use HF more than HW)

Later jude can decide whether he wants to let people make personal back ups from him (I guess it's a lot cheaper for him than for chu)

That is what I'm suggesting too. I think HeadWize should stay up. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. But by allowing Head-Fi to import the archives (pre-6/20/01), the idea is to make them always accessible and searchable for the community that built those archives through post contributions.
post #26 of 64
dhwilkin, we're talking about more than just him and me. a lot of people posted a lot of stuff, and they deserve to know that it hasn't gone to waste.
post #27 of 64
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Originally posted by dhwilkin

Now you're talking about ownership. OK, let me ask you this: A thread contains a post from you and from cmoy. You want it accessible, cmoy doesn't. Now who exactly should get what they want? There is no clear-cut owner of this data, it's basically public domain. And I'd love to see the exact statement in some legal document that gives you the right to full control over those threads.

Now, don't get me wrong, I really wish cmoy would let jude back-up the archives onto Head-fi and be done w/ it. I agree w/ you in wanting access. But you don't run Headwize, and you don't pay for the data storage. cmoy does, and you know the old saying that possession is nine/tenths of the law...

dhwilkin, you raise a very compelling point here. Like you, I don't think Chu has to do anything he doesn't want to do in terms of making it available or not through him. But I do think that the thousands of post contributions that make up the body of the archives are (and not necessarily in a legal sense, which I won't profess any ability to answer any questions about) the property of the community. Hypothetically, if I was going to take down Head-Fi for a significant amount of time (or permanently), the first thing I'd do would be to offer the archives here (however small or big) to the few folks with the greatest ability to make them publicly available again. As far as I'm concerned, the forums here aren't mine to sell or negotiate with. Whether or not I'm legally obligated to make them available is really not the issue to me.

But, again, you do raise interesting questions.
post #28 of 64
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And I'm sick of people questioning Jude's integrity, man. keep those comments to yourself.

When did i say anything about jude. I said that in the 2 years i've spent reading about the audiphile world, i've been totally put back by the incredible greed that exists as people release snake oil products and then pay off reveiwers, magazines and **** to give them rave reviews when they really do ****.

And that's why i was drawn to headwize, because it was one of the few places where money wasn't a factor, where someone was intersted in promoting the hobby rather than trying to make money off of it.

And no, you don't own anything on headwize, its on his servers and he is trying to do the best he can to get everything working properly based on his financial means. He has always had this stance on sponsorship, and if you'd rather have a fancy, commercialized forum, then post elsewhere.
post #29 of 64
i'm not sure if all the forums are up, bu ti know that the headphone reviews and the DIY acrchives are up (i was sifting through them before).

for example here's the original butterknife thread:
http://headwize.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000907.html
(i figure this discussion could use a little lightening up)

i think some of the older links may have been something like "headwize.com/cgibin/...." you might have to change some things in the url around, like cgibin changes to ubb, etc...
post #30 of 64
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Originally posted by thomas
...and if you'd rather have a fancy, commercialized forum, then post elsewhere.
Is this a fancy, commercialized forum?
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