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HELP! How do you teach someone to be an audiophile?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi guys, I was just wondering, what's the cheapest way to teach someone who is a dum-bass to be an audiophile? I have an online friend who's a DJ, and I managed to convince him that, when he eventually starts to create electronica, as is his goal (he doesn't have the tools to do so well, yet [what are some good ones that would help add sounds that follow these concepts to electronica? What synthesizers? What samplers? What mixers?]), I told him that he could stand out from the crowd if he applied many of the....precepts that one picks up being an audiophile to his music. But, he, uh, has to learn to pick up an appreciation for all of these subtleties first, and being a trance DJ with a set of V700's won't do it....

Help?
post #2 of 18
*falls over laughing at the crappy-sounding headphones of the typical CRAP Dj*

Heheheh. I had a friend who is a trance DJ, and I had been trying to convert him - but he has stuck to his own guns. Some DJs just can't be taught! And worse, once he has been a Duh!-m-Bass for many years (and he has been used to his "Duh!-m-Bass"ness), he will always be a Duh!-m-Bass for life!
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Oh, um, this guy is REALLY REALLY young, so he's not quite as set in his ways as an adult. And I've been preaching about the V6's for a long time, and he believes me about the bass on those, and, how, when he starts composing, he should probably use 'em. He just doubts that much of this audiophile stuff is worth it for normal mixing, as do I....
post #4 of 18
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Originally posted by Gluegun
Oh, um, this guy is REALLY REALLY young, so he's not quite as set in his ways as an adult. And I've been preaching about the V6's for a long time, and he believes me about the bass on those, and, how, when he starts composing, he should probably use 'em. He just doubts that much of this audiophile stuff is worth it for normal mixing, as do I....
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Umm....help?

Kidding

Best thing to do is break it to him slowly
Show him the differences in sound
Make him get used to the "less bass"
Show him the subtleness in sound
umm....too sleepy to write more but you get my drift
Try that and if it doesnt work after awile feel free to come back here
post #5 of 18
I don't thing people can be tought to be audiofiles.
Also, not everyone that have a good sound system is an audiophile. Audiophiles IMO are strange animals. I could never understand is it the sound they're really after or the equipment. Most of them would proudly state that they're "music lovers" but I know people that have multi thousand bucks systems and very limited record collections.
post #6 of 18
I don't really see why you would you want to "teach" someone to be an audiophile? If that person doesn't want to spend his money on audio-stuff, why not give him a rest?

I know music lovers and musicians who don't give a thing about the quality of their systems.
In fact a friend of mine, who is absolutely obsessed with music and and also is a very skilled musician himself, listens his CD's on a portable CDP connected to his guitar-amp! He has listened to my "HiFi" set for hours and he has plenty of money to buy one of his own but he doesn't. Why? Because he is happy with what he has and who am I to say he shoudn't be?
post #7 of 18
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Originally posted by wab
I don't really see why you would you want to "teach" someone to be an audiophile? If that person doesn't want to spend his money on audio-stuff, why not give him a rest?

I know music lovers and musicians who don't give a thing about the quality of their systems.
In fact a friend of mine, who is absolutely obsessed with music and and also is a very skilled musician himself, listens his CD's on a portable CDP connected to his guitar-amp! He has listened to my "HiFi" set for hours and he has plenty of money to buy one of his own but he doesn't. Why? Because he is happy with what he has and who am I to say he shoudn't be?
I agree with you
But frankly I always feel this URGE to convert people to the"goods things in life"
Hey, im just trying to be nice and show you the HUMONGUS difference though everyones has their tastes

Lifes short and I want to make the best of it, and I could also help some people to do so on the way cant I?
post #8 of 18
Gluegun,

If you still own your 831s have him do an A/B along with his Sony's and some of his music. He should be convinced.

Regards - reynman
post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 
Um, you all kind of misunderstand. I wanna help teach him to have an EAR for really good mixing and engineering in music, stuff that audiophiles like (tight bass, a sense of place, stereo imaging, hearing lots of layers yadda yadda yadda), so that he can recreate all of those effects in his music, which he will compose (that's seperate from mixing in a club, where audiophlie stuff goes out the window, and we ALL know it), thereby bringing a new definition to most electronica, which doesn't pay attention to what audiophiles care for...music mixed in a way to make good equipment shine....

The thing is, he WANTS to be an audiophile, and he KNOWS he doesn't have the tools to do it, but he WANTS to get an ear to add cool stuff to the songs he makes....and, thereby, differentiate himself from other dj's, and become unique, which can only be a GOOD THING! And he wants to know equipment to do it, on the cheap....

so, here's what I wanna know....

What can we get him (sl-ct470 + V6?? He's going to get the V6 anyways, for mixing at home) that will be an audiophile system, and can show all of the details that good engineers put in really good, well mixed and recorded music. And we need some music to teach it to him, to tell the difference. I'm already screaming at him to get the Blue Man Group cd, which should show him a lot of what he can do in Electronica instead of normal, but, any more suggestions? What about something to show him for really low bass? Where can one get high, audiophile quality samples of instruments to use in making electronica?

Oh, and by the way, we're a few states away, so I can't go over and show him stuff.....
post #10 of 18
Quote: I wanna help teach him to have an EAR for really good mixing and engineering in music, stuff that audiophiles like (tight bass, a sense of place, stereo imaging, hearing lots of layers yadda yadda yadda), so that he can recreate all of those effects in his music, which he will compose (that's seperate from mixing in a club, where audiophlie stuff goes out the window, and we ALL know it), thereby bringing a new definition to most electronica


ummm, not sure what type of electronic music your listening too, or what artists, but most of the artists I listen to have a lot of that stuff, and a friend of mine who does compose/play/produce his own music does a lot of stuff with controlling pitch, tone, imaging and layers. Also a second point, composing music has to have a sense of what the listener will be listening on......if you create music for a certain setup that most people don't have the detail will be loss. Nine Inch Nails Fragile has great production. Not a true electronic musician but still very well done. DJ Shadow Endtroducing is also well done. Roni Size/Reprazent New Forms is another piece to check out.
post #11 of 18
Gluegun,

I've a few DJ friends and, since they use lots of loops, appreciate it when I introduce them to different genres with catchy loops. It requires thinking about electronica while listening to other genres. The most interesting electronica artists, in my opinion, are the ones who incorporate different styles. That's what sets them apart, I suppose. One DJ friend now comes over to listen to my LP's with my headphones. He uses super bass heavy Labtecs when he actually DJ's since he can't hear much at all over the sound systems or speakers. So, in his element, stupid bass headphones are appropriate. Doesn't stop him from using my headphone amp to acquire the loops to create with.
post #12 of 18

no, no, no, no, no...

you're going about it the wrong way. Trance DJ, right?

Ok, so start with getting him to start using really clean stereo samples... then effects with good depth, a lean and mean flanger and chorus setup... then start showing him how to manipulate beat perceptions with tap delay vs main sound... appeggiated reflections panning to and fro...

etc etc... get him into hyper-analyzing what he produces, watching people's reactions to listening to it... if you can get it so he spends 10 days working on that perfect bass sample, you've got him hooked. Just a matter of time, then.

Musicians are easier to switch than normals... they're less apathetic to begin with.
post #13 of 18
Gluegun: Oh, that might be easier than you think. Just make him buy and use a decent headphone - especially with good bass reproduction - for mixing and sound designing like the beyerdynamic DT250/250 or Sony's MDR-V6. That should do the job nicely for a start. If he has the tendency to become an audiophile, he will then start to optimize sound quality, anyway.

For other equipment (hard- and software) questions I could give you the email-address of a friend of mine, who is a sound creator and music maker himself.

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

Apehared: Dum-da dum-da dum-da-ram, Freakazoid, Freakazoid! Do you also like Dexter's Lab? And what about Johnny Bravo?
post #14 of 18
Dexter's lab rocks!
post #15 of 18
Thread Starter 
Anyways, you all, I asked this same thing here:

http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/005668.html

could you all help me figure out the things I asked for there?

Oh, and everyone, where EXACTLY can I find in-depth information on the stuff you said?
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