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post #91 of 101
Nate, as long as Drew still has his money, I think he has every right to do so, Drew could have resolved this issue long time ago
post #92 of 101
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Originally Posted by n_maher
That's your opinion which is fine, it's just different from mine. And if you can't see the difference between posting positive and negative feedback in a sig I'm sure not going to be able to tell you.

You should get out more.
No, it's not. It's asking someone to be smart enough to take more than 30seconds to make a decision. How long would it take someone to spot check the thread? Two minutes? Lazy people piss me off and I don't feel bad for them, sorry.

Drew's business has nothing to do with Head-Fi. He's not a sponsor, vendor or otherwise. He's a member with a business that just so happens to be related to headphones.

I agree that the problems expressed within this thread are not a good sign. But the last time someone tried to post a positive experience about Shellbrook his thread got shat all over and people accused him of being Drew. That's not exactly good motivation for people to post about their good experiences. And the exact opposite happens here to. Those vendors with a good rep get a free pass when stuff does go wrong with their legions of fan-boys crushing anyone who says that so-and-so's amp isn't god's gift. So pardon me if I try to champion objectivity. Is Drew in the wrong here, yes, absolutely. By his own admission no less. Does that mean that someone has a right to effectively put a banner up and parade it around head-fi? I dunno, as I said it's neither your nor my place to decide only a mod or Jude can make that decision here. I've offered my opinion, obviously you disagree.

My 2¢ (you should put in your sig that I ripped you off),

Nate
This is very simple. If the seller does not want negative feedback or anything derogatory placed within a signature then he/she should not make any negative transactions. Judging by the posts here and on other threads, Drew has wronged many customers. A backlash is to be expected in various ways.

By the way n_maher, why are you defending the wrongdoer? Are you a member of the AC*U?
post #93 of 101
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Originally Posted by Usagi
By the way n_maher, why are you defending the wrongdoer? Are you a member of the AC*U?
that is inappropriate and ignorant.
post #94 of 101
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Originally Posted by Usagi
By the way n_maher, why are you defending the wrongdoer? Are you a member of the AC*U?
I think if you actually read my posts you'll see that I'm in no way defending Drew. Show me where I have and I'll edit it out. I'm doing what I would do for any person that I thought was being unfairly treated. I think the sig is out of line, nuff said as I don't want this thread locked as it serves a purpose for those who are trying to get their issues with Shellbrook resolved.

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Originally Posted by Hawainpanda
Nate, as long as Drew still has his money, I think he has every right to do so, Drew could have resolved this issue long time ago
Honestly, I simpathize with the individuals situation. And as I've said whether or not the sig is legit is nothing for me to decide. I just think that a message of this type is better and more fairly conveyed in the specified forum. That's it.

Nate
post #95 of 101
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Originally Posted by n_maher
How about I post my sig saying that I tried one of your mini's and thought it was crap. Think that'd be a fair sig?

well, I take it that you are trying to insult me, heres the deal. If someone was trying to contact me about not recieving an item or refund, I would 1. Send a replacement the next day OR 2. refund the same day. nuff said

Of course the sig has no reference to the performance of my products so I do not think it has relevence. If Iban paid me $500 for a cable and i held on to the money and stopped communication with Iban. I wouldnt blame him. Heck I don't know what I would say if it took me 5 months to build a $500 mini cable , Id probably quote his sig about my long wait in my own sig for fun.

of course I would appreciate it if Iban would give me time to help accomodate me to work out any issues, though I would think a month would be more then enough for me to help him, but I wouldnt even think of requiring half a year to send out a cable.



n_maher, if you didnt like the sound of my cable and disliked it enough to say it sounds bad, id just give youa refund. Though I dont think Ibans sig is saying that the amps sound bad.

Iban, if you ever by a cable and I take 4-5 months to send it to you, you have my full permission to make a sig about me and your wait time.

</sarcasm>

really n_maher, I dont think your analogy had any relevance to me.
post #96 of 101
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Originally Posted by n_maher
So pardon me if I try to champion objectivity.
Anyone who cares to do a search on drewd or Shellbrook Audio will very quickly see that you're right there to defend him, each and every time this same pattern recurs.

What, exactly, your connection is to Drew and Shellbrook Audio, I'm not sure, but your opinion on the matter is anything but objective, Nate.
post #97 of 101
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Originally Posted by Usagi
By the way n_maher, why are you defending the wrongdoer? Are you a member of the AC*U?
I certainly am. By the way, the missing letter is L -- it stands for Liberties. I can understand today why it can be hard to remember.



If a merchant upsets customers, they're can and even should let others know -- the same goes for a merchant who pleases its customers. This is how reputations are earned. The more we know about how people do business, the smarter decisions we can make. Sometimes posting a negative feedback doesn't seem effective enough for someone who seems to have losts hundreds of dollars.
post #98 of 101
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Originally Posted by n_maher
I agree that the problems expressed within this thread are not a good sign. But the last time someone tried to post a positive experience about Shellbrook his thread got shat all over and people accused him of being Drew. That's not exactly good motivation for people to post about their good experiences. And the exact opposite happens here to.

Nate
iirc, the review writer had a post count of 1 or 2 and didnt post again that I know of. Then followed by a link on the shellbrook site that directed to the review the moment it was posted. So of course people made assumptions in the thread, That didnt interest me, nor does this one, I just thought you should post ALL the facts before making a comment like that.

anyhow, Im out of this since it isnt my fight, all I did state my opinion that i felt Iban wasnt in the wrong..

anyhow n_maher, I dont see how you wanted to take it to a personal level, I didnt, see ya.

I will refrain from posting in this thread.
post #99 of 101
n_maher: "That simply is not what a sig is for."

Umm, what exactly is a sig for?

I've seen quite a few very creative uses of the space and am wondering about your thoughts on others and whether or not they meet your criteria.

Perhaps it might be best to let the moderators make those sorts of decisions.


Edit -

Iban, from what I've seen sometimes publicity as pressure works with this manufacturer and so I can understand your sig.

I was considering buying an amp from this manufactuer but after this latest thread I think that I'll look elsewhere. I was going to give this manufactuer the benefit of the doubt as some people have asked potential customers to do, but after reading n_maher's take I guess that doing so would be a "stupid choice" and thus I'd deserve to "suffer the consquences." I appreciate your raising these issues.
post #100 of 101
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Originally Posted by Wmcmanus
Anyone who cares to do a search on drewd or Shellbrook Audio will very quickly see that you're right there to defend him, each and every time this same pattern recurs.

What, exactly, your connection is to Drew and Shellbrook Audio, I'm not sure, but your opinion on the matter is anything but objective, Nate.
I know I shouldn't say this 'cause you're a moderator, but OMFG! WTF??? I repeat... WTF???
To think, I had respect for your moderating skills... clearly that respect was misguided.
If you search as you said, Nate has NO connection to Drew other than the Millett Group Buy. I know Nate, and can speak to this as fact... not opinion, not something up for discussion, but a plain, simple FACT. I know he's gotten nothing but grief for trying to give back to the HeadFi community with the Millett Group Buy and has been frustrated by the response he's received from the powers that be for it. I also know for a fact that the Group Buy cost hundreds in the long run, not to mention the countless hours he put into it and has gotten nothing but grief for it. Hell, the only reason the Millett forum was created was because Rick, the DIY moderator (and quite the "people person", I must say) would thread-crap Millett related posts at every turn, not to mention accusing Nate at being unethical, cheap and any number of things. My understanding is this has all this has been told to Jude, and if he's not going to reel people like you in from spouting off conjecture, he's lost my respect for an otherwise great site. Also, if you search (again, as you suggested), you'll see that Nate doesn't come to Drew's defense as much as get frustrated with the bandwagon effect here @ HeadFi. Read his damn posts for crying out loud... Hell, his first post in this thread will do:

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Originally Posted by n_maher
GIANT DISCLAIMER COMING Most folks around here understand my relationship with Drew but for those who don't we conducted a group buy for PCB's recently. So, while I am also a Shellbrook customer I'm also not your average customer. One important thing of note is that I have no monetary link to Drew or Shellbrook.

That said, I've had no issues communicating with him over the past week and I will attempt to make him aware of this situation so that hopefully all parties involved can move on. I'm not here to make excuses for Drew, he's his own man and it's his own business. But as I've done in the past I'll do what I can to help.
(bold added by me for emphasis)
So, because he has the means to get in touch with Drew as a result of the Group Buy and goes out of his way to make Drew aware of the situation, and because he personally disagrees with someone's use of the signature feature on the forum, that means he's coming to Drew's defense.
PLEASE!

:shakesheadindisgustatwhatheadfihasbecome:

If this turns into my ticket out of here, then so be it. This has been a long time coming.

edit: I don't know Drew, and to be honest, couldn't care less about most of the stuff that goes on in this thread. But Nate's a good guy who goes out of his way to be a good guy, and I'm sick of the crap he continues to put up with.
post #101 of 101
It amazes me how threads can quickly change. It also amazes me how people can change as well. They start out relatively helpful and quickly degenerate into something else. Hopefully, the author of this thread has been in contact with his amp builder, as well as any others who have been waiting for product/contact. At this point, I see no reason for this thread to continue.
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