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post #1 of 33
6/16/02 at 4:31am
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http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/...es/23down.html

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post #2 of 33
6/16/02 at 7:01am
I'm still a believer even after that somewhat sceptical report...

When you have two different brands of cables (in my case my AQ Quartz & Van De Hul (can't remember the model #)), one on the left channel, one on the right - and the sound is skewed to one side, sounding brighter... then there has to be some merit there, no?
post #3 of 33
6/16/02 at 12:33pm
Here we go again, how many of these threads do we have to endure, cables make no difference blah, blah, blah

Czilla, lay your cards on the table (which your pal Ricky refused to do predictably)
-what audio equipment do you own
-what cables do you own
-what cables have you tried in your system
-what cables have you DBT and what were the results

Until you have some real experience to report this is the same old theory rehashed again and again. How about reporting your findings.......
post #4 of 33
6/16/02 at 2:39pm
I'm sorry--your point being--?

NGF
post #5 of 33
6/16/02 at 3:27pm
I think Czilla9000 is playing the devil's advocate. I understand the allure of his implied scepticism, afterall, the direct experience of audio cables is quite an expensive undertaking.
post #6 of 33
6/16/02 at 3:32pm
Quote:
Originally posted by tanfenton
I'm sorry--your point being--?
NGF
The point is obvious.

How can you have a discussion about cables and what differences
can be heard if you refuse to tell us what cables you are referring to? What cables have you tried and heard no difference?
post #7 of 33
6/16/02 at 4:45pm
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Did I ever say I did not believe in cables?...I am just open to both sides.


Notice that the symphony guy bought $13,000 cables?
post #8 of 33
6/16/02 at 4:51pm
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my point being is a thought that the article was fair and objective.


I must admit however that I do think the biggest increase in sound quality comes from upgrading from stock to $20 dollar cables such as RS Gold Series.
post #9 of 33
6/16/02 at 4:59pm
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however...if cables really don't make a difference, I don't think many of you would know, and think most of you would still keep hearing the improved detail.


look...

you are right, I have not tryed any of the improved cables, and infact I am just recieving my first hifi system...and I am sure if I did try improved cables I would hear a differerce...


I am not concieted enough to say I am definitively hearing a difference, even if I seriously thought I was hearing more...


I would always keep the possiblity in the back of my mind that I am hearing stuff which is not there....
post #10 of 33
6/16/02 at 5:17pm
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I don't care what I hear or don't hear - need proof to be sure, and someone saying "OH! I CAN SOOO HEAR THE DIFFERENCE" is not proof.
post #11 of 33
6/16/02 at 5:25pm
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WARNING: CZILLA IS NOW IN ANGRY MODE! ALERT! ALERT!
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I am just tired of when ever anyone is sceptical cables how defensive you guys get. You trust what you hear more than anything, and know matter what evidense is presented you refuse to look!

You're hearing is not everything - just look how some people swear they are hearing super detail with Bose, or how some people swaer they are hearing God , and that God is talking directally to them!


What you hear can be altered with your mind. Just please accept the possiblility that you are hearing stuff which is not reaally there.
post #12 of 33
6/16/02 at 5:27pm
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Having said that, I do think a eroding stock cable will sound worse than a non eroding cable.


Everyone admits that stock is bad, even Ricky!


But wheater you can hear the difference between anygood cable and a super highend one is what the real question is.
post #13 of 33
6/16/02 at 5:46pm
Quote:
Originally posted by Czilla9000
I don't care what I hear or don't hear - need proof to be sure, and someone saying "OH! I CAN SOOO HEAR THE DIFFERENCE" is not proof.
If you don't care what you hear or don't hear, what's the point of getting "hifi" gear at all? Ultimately, the value of any piece of audio equipment has to be determined by you, when you make a subjective determination of whether or not the sound that YOU HEAR is worth the money spent. If you base your judgement on other things, it's just a pissing contest: "Hey, my amp cost more than yours", or "Hey, my amp has more watts than yours", or "Hey, my amp has lower measured distortion than yours". If that's why you want hifi equipment, why bother?

Someone reporting a perceived difference is not trying to prove anything to you. It's a simple statement that that person heard a difference. You can put as much faith as you like in any such statement...that's why people post them. It's rather sad that you think you need outside proof to validate your own audio judgements. Maybe in time you'll develop a bit more self-confidence.
post #14 of 33
6/16/02 at 5:48pm
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When people respond with replies like "I'm sorry, your point being" I get mad. This just shows how they only listen to what they want to hear.


The point was that I liked the article and I thought I would share it with you.

A proper responce would be:


"That was interesting, Czilla. I will look into it. Thank you for sharing the article".
post #15 of 33
6/16/02 at 5:52pm
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Hirsch ,point taken. Its just how can anybody risk $200 or $500 on an interconnect when people are still debating whether or not they help.


Everybody says headphones and amps make a difference. That is not so heavily debated by scientists.
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