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post #46 of 74
I only wanted to add that importing something like my bel canto was a B*TCH. I ordered one from audiogon, coming from the US to Europe, for, all in all, ~900€. Now everything went fine, great contact with the seller, fast shipping (took approx. 5 days to reach my country), but here's where the story takes an ugly turn.

The customs bastards held it there for bloody 2 weeks! Even though I gave them everything they needed the very first day they asked for the documents. And after 2 weeks...when I finally received it...I had to pay 150€ to them! Probably for doing such a great job.

Well anyways, can't say that it wasn't worth all that.
post #47 of 74
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Originally Posted by Alu
The costums bastards held it there for bloody 2 weeks! Even though I gave them everything they needed the very first day they asked for the documents.
"nondescript black box with strange connectors, X-RAY showing lots of unidentified technology inside" - probably you were lucky they did not blow it up in the yard. This story reminds me exactly why I am so happy about being able to pick up the AQVOX *locally*
post #48 of 74
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Originally Posted by Alu
The costums bastards held it there for bloody 2 weeks!
Where in Europe is the population terrorized by costumed bastards on a regular basis?
We have costumed bastards, too, but their public activities are restricted to a few days every year.This period is called "carnival".

European customs regulations should be very similar, but in practise there are huge differences between the nations.
Derived from the tariff they charged you I guess you're living in Luxembourg or Germany.Could be worse, ask our french or danish members.
Personally I was involved in dozens of transcontinental deals, and I've learned how to handle them in order to get what I want fast paying no or minimal fees.
In comparison european customs are relatively easy to handle and to trick.
I'm currently doing a brazilian member a favour.He wanted a Baby Orpheus offered via ebay.de. The seller's english was even worse than mine and he felt quite uncomfortable about shipping the headphone system to Brazil.

Brazilian customs, that's hell.Charges 60 % plus some extra fees plus hassles, and it's absolutely forbidden to import used goods.
It turned out that the headphones are in excellent condition, but pads and headband are visibly worn.Unfortunately they have to look absolutely new to actually pass the customs, and I had to order brand new pads and headband from Jan Meier in order to fulfill this requirement.
All I can hope for is that a guy who probably earns less than 400 Euro per month does believe that the "brand-new" baby O is a private gift, worth less than $50.
I mean, from his point of view $50 for headphones is ridiculously overprized and they might slip through without fees.

Man, I'm just glad I don't live in Brazil.
Or even worse, North Corea.
After all living in Europe isn't that bad, and we could always get rid of the customs.AFAIK we elected the uberbastards which hired the bastards.
post #49 of 74
Thread Starter 
Just wanted to say that, at the end of the day, and all things and factors taken into consideration...

I ordered a Terratec Phase 24 Firewire. Which is not an external DAC, I know, but I hope it will sound better than my current Audigy just the same.

In any case it should have bit perfect digital out if, in the future, I will feel like upgrading once more.
post #50 of 74
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Originally Posted by cosmopragma
After all living in Europe isn't that bad, and we could always get rid of the customs.AFAIK we elected the uberbastards which hired the bastards.
Jaaaaaa, we're pretty well off here in most regards. The places I consider "better" to be than G come with other annoyances, Sweden, Norway, Canada...

...ah, it started to rain, was about time
post #51 of 74
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Originally Posted by cosmopragma
Where in Europe is the population terrorized by costumed bastards on a regular basis?
We have costumed bastards, too, but their public activities are restricted to a few days every year.This period is called "carnival".
I always get those difficult english wörds wrong, well thanks for letting me know.

Luxembourg it is by the way.
post #52 of 74

cosmopragma...

as you can take from my sig i have a 1999 rega planet. it offers great texture and prat but falls a bit short in terms of resolution. i'd like to scrape a little more resolution of my redbook cds but would like to retain all the good qualities of the rega.

you mention digital room treatment in one of your posts. I am currently torn between a behringer deq 2496 equalizer/dac, a dac such as the aqvox or a new cdp such as the berendsen cdp1. do you have experience with devices like the behringer?

obviously the behringer adds functionality the other options cant provide. a usb dac offers the option of building a music archive yielding high quality playback from a multimedia computer such as the mac mini.

where would you start your upgrade path if you were in my shoes: behringer for 250 Euros, standalone but more upscale (usb) dac for 4-700 Euros, or a top notch cdp for 1400-1600 Euros? which one do you believe offers the most in terms of price over sound quality gained?

thanks,

matthias
post #53 of 74
This aqvox dac seems the way to go for european customers, unless you want something very expensive or a detailed and fast source. Am I right? In my case, I like the sound profile described, the convenience of buying within europe and, why not, the aqvox design . My main headphones right now are a pair of AKG501 and a woody darth beyer 770/80 pro. I'm thinking about renewing my system with:

* Behringer deq 2496 for equalization purposes. My darth beyers need a little taming from time to time . DAC will be redundant, but I understand the aqvox is a much better option in this field.
* Aqvox USB 2 D/A as source. As transport, I'll continue using my 15 year old denon cd player, plus a terratec ewx 2496.
* Gilmore GS1. I'm playing with the idea of a singlepower mpx3, but right now is a little too much for my wallet. I'm searching for european alternatives, but i'm not finding anything as convenient as the GS1, although everybody seems to think well of Graham Slee Solo with the akg501.

Any advice about all that?
post #54 of 74
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Originally Posted by mattigol
as you can take from my sig i have a 1999 rega planet. it offers great texture and prat but falls a bit short in terms of resolution. i'd like to scrape a little more resolution of my redbook cds but would like to retain all the good qualities of the rega.

you mention digital room treatment in one of your posts.
Most important in speaker audio are the speakers themselves with room as a close second IMO.
In case your listening room isn't already treated you'd get the best results by purchasing a calibrated microphone, software and a soundcard with decent ADC.In order to control the reverb you can get away with common stuff like sofas, pillows, carpets, curtains, bookshelves, way better WAF than expensive professional dampening devices, you'd just have to experiment a little equipped with your measurement tools.
Well, except of the bass.
AFAIK there's no bass treatment a woman would easily accept, appropriate stuff looks like this. Digital room treatment is only the icing on the cake, it won't magically transform a screwed room into audio heaven.Even in an untreated room digital correction could improve the sound quality inside a tiny sweet spot, but outside the sweet spot the frequency response would be even worse than before.No digital correction will ever replace physical treatment.

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where would you start your upgrade path if you were in my shoes: behringer for 250 Euros, standalone but more upscale (usb) dac for 4-700 Euros, or a top notch cdp for 1400-1600 Euros? which one do you believe offers the most in terms of price over sound quality gained?
Well, looking at your sig I would start my upgrade path by purchasing a $8 RCA splitter.This way you could utilize your CDP for your headphone audio, and I guess it's way better than the analog out of a DAP.
Besides of that I'd skip the standalone player, a 650 Euro DAC is at least as good anyway and it adds the new dimension of a large music collection at your fingertips, something I personally couldn't live without anymore.
A Behringer (I own one) is nice for correcting the frequency response of gear you already like, but it falls into the same category as expensive cables, it's less important and you could always add it later when your wallet has recovered.
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post #55 of 74
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Originally Posted by carlosgp
In my case, I like the sound profile described, the convenience of buying within europe and, why not, the aqvox design .
Well, the AQVOX looks indeed nice, better than the pro audio competitors, but the
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* Behringer deq 2496 for equalization purposes.
is as ugly as it gets.Photos don't do it justice, in reality it's way more ugly.Blindingly ugly.It's so ugly that I have to hide it, it's behind a small curtain my GF tailored for my rack.Works nice though with an easily understandable UI, especially for the price.
post #56 of 74
Hahaha. You hide the Behringer with a curtain? Poor behrin! In fact is a good idea Certainly it has this freaky aestethics so common in dj equipment.
post #57 of 74
cosmo: Just on a sidenote, I wonder how the RME ADI-2 fares in comparision - you haven't heard that, too, by any chance?

Greetings from Hannover!

Manfred / lini
post #58 of 74
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Originally Posted by lini
cosmo: Just on a sidenote, I wonder how the RME ADI-2 fares in comparision - you haven't heard that, too, by any chance?
Indeed, at one point in time I had several asynchronously resampling DACs at my disposal for direct comparison.
The candidates for the shootout were:
The Benchmark DAC1 I already owned.
Apogee Mini DAC.
AQVOX USB 2 D/A.
RME Adi-2.
For a vinyl lover like you the Benchmark is out in round one, it's the least analogish sounding of the bunch.
The RME is the least expensive, but it's sounding basically like a refined version of the RME soundcards.It's o.k., the jitter immunity works like advertised, but the sound is nothing special you'd write home about.
The AQVOX is the most analogish sounding.I think the main difference between all those DACs is the analog section, the digital sections are very similar, and the AQVOX guys got the analog section right.
They are claiming that they are applying some unique technological breakthroughs called "LEF" and "CI = current injection".It sounds like the typical marketing blah, but however they achieved it, it sounds very good.
Don't get me wrong, by "analogish" sound I don't mean it's sounding like vinyl.
Vinyl sounds like vinyl, but finally I've got a DAC that stopped the constant urge to reinvest in a turntable and vinyl.
The Apogee is the most expensive and is soundwise a (close?) second to the AQVOX.
Strength:Very versatile, the USB section is the best on the market since it bypasses Kmixer by providing an own USB driver, semi portable due to size/weight and capable of being powered by a battery.
Downsides: No RCA out, ugly.
post #59 of 74
cosmopragma,

thanks again for your further comments.

Could you elaborate a bit on the headphone amp part of each.

I'll be needing one of these soon for my workplace and while it doesnt' have to be portable, it'd be nice if I didn't have to bring an additional amp with me, but use the built-in amp.

I'll be using either HD-650 or another harder to drive closed headphone (requiring near zero ohm nominal output from the headphone output).

I'm esp. interested in Apogee and AQVOX as I'll be using it via USB and I'm not so keen on Benchmark for my main listening.
post #60 of 74

aqvox and ipod?

hi cosmo,

thanks for your response and heads-up on the aqvox. I also read a lengthy thread on hifi-forum.de on the subject (with your participation) which gave me even more confidence. Plus the two week no-questions-asked money-back guarantee really makes the aqvox a no-brainer to start out with. I contacted aqvox about a black version (would fit my rig better) but nothing definitive yet.

Would I be able to run my Ipod into the aqvox via the Ipod's bottom-port/USB cable?

cheers,

matthias
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