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Originally Posted by oScARSr
Excuse me,jjcha.
I have a W11JPN, but I still love the sound from ER4p.
In addition there are lots of guys say E4c is at the same level with ER4.
I wonder what is the difference between W10VTG and E4C .
Can you please describe a bit about that? (sound)
Thanks. 
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Okay, E4c vs W10VTG (straight out of the iPod)
E4c:
More treble energy, but beautifuly clear and resolved (only slightly fatiguing)
Faster, detailed, highly resolving, more analytical
Tighter bass, nice texture
Clearer, better seperation - actually this is fantastic, only the SA5k/Qualia 010 are better in this regard
Thin sounding
W10VTG:
More bass
Relaxed, less fatiguing, more "musical" sound
Not so stuffed in your ears/head - pretty normal/natural headphone soundstage
Slightly slightly on the thick side, but not too thick
Treble tends towards graininess
Nice mid-range, not as effortless/smooth as the HD650, ever so slightly recessed (though slightly emphasized in the upper mid-range) but very natural and effortless none-the-less.
Kinda cliched, but the way I'd describe it is that the E4c is a great analytical tool, technically impressive, with its only flaw being a moderately de-emphasized bass and lower mid-range and resulting thinness in sound, though what bass is there is very well detailed/resolved. I've gone on record as complaining about the bass/thinness - but man, that shouldn't take away from everything these phones do right. If we only could emphasize the bass just a bit from the lowest-bass to the mids, this phone would be the "perfect" portable phone for someone who prefers a slightly detail focused sound.
With the W10VTG, I imagine it was created by a Japanese engineer who was a true music lover. Maybe he wasn't as technically accomplished as the engineers at Shure almost 10 years later, but he knows music and knows what he likes, and created a headphone that makes the music beautiful to listen to. The only major flaw, I think, is I wish the treble was a bit less grainy/clearer. Sure the W10VTG could be faster, more resolving, have better seperation. But I don't really care. When I just want to enjoy the music, its these that come on, rather than the Shure or Sensaphonics 2X-S. It reminds me of what I loved about my HD600+Cardas.
I've only got brief experiences with the ER4S (well P with the converter cable) out of my full portable rig (Overture + SR-71) and I really liked the Etys. I can't compare them directly to the Shures, but I remember thinking they sounded great - that I didn't have a problem with their bass at all, but they sounded colored to me. They sounded highly detailed, but I found them lacking compared to my SA5k out of the Grace m902. Which is interesting, because while I don't think the Shure E4c are as detailed as the SA5k, I don't really find I'm as critical of that fact.
Best,
-Jason