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post #46 of 62
redshifter: I have to compare the K240M from my long time memory, but I remember it as a solid and enjoyable performer, that needed some juice. The K240S should be easier to drive, more extended in both directions, more dynamic and impactful and give you more soundstage. The K501 seems a little harsher to me, less impactful especially in the bass (where it's less extended than the K240S, too) but with a slightly wider soundstage. I think detail and imaging is better with the K240S, too, but that might also have to do with fit & comfort... In addition, amp synergy may play another impotant role, here. I've never used my old K240M with the Corda, though. Anyway, all in all, I think you might be happier with the K240S or the Sennheiser HD580/600 than with the K501 (can't comment on both Sonys - never heard, yet...). And maybe you should also take Beyerdynamic (DT531...) and AudioTechnica into consideration...

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini
post #47 of 62
thanks lini. i'll add the beyer to the list.

jopi, don't drag me into this!
post #48 of 62
Quote:
Originally posted by jopi


Gee, that's a toughie. The 501s don't have any bass and the 600s don't have anything but bass.
I hope you're not saying the 600s are dark or veiled. Otherwise this thread will reach 200 posts in no time.

Legoman

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1. Enjoy your headphone
2. Don't claim it is neutral
3. If it shoul happen, against all odds, to be neutral, sell all your other headphones to me at $5 a piece, since they are obviously inferior.
post #49 of 62
Quote:
Originally posted by jopi


Gee, that's a toughie. The 501s don't have any bass and the 600s don't have anything but bass.
LOL, now *there's* someone trying to start some discussion
post #50 of 62
Quote:
Originally posted by legoman


I hope you're not saying the 600s are dark or veiled. Otherwise this thread will reach 200 posts in no time.
The 600s are both dark and veiled, but the 501s are harsh and brittle beyond comprehension.

As I said, it's a toughie.
post #51 of 62
Statix and MacDEF:

Lay it off people... This contest between the two of you is not about who makes the smartest remark now, it´s about whether statix first remark was true or completely unfair, insulting, meaningless and totally against what makes head-fi different from other forums.

Í'm just saying that those extremely long threads you are making are a waste of your own time.

Statix, just appologize and move on, gees
post #52 of 62
MacDef: If you read my post again, you'll see that there's absolutely nothing hostile or flaming about it. I was simply pointing out what I see. I still think that you should lighten up a bit and stop thinking that everyone's out to get you. My point was simply that the reason people start getting heated about the AKG versus Sennheiser discussion, it's because you made the post that started it. Example (this very thread):


a) TimSchirmer says the AKG's are great headphones and he loves them. He then says that the AKG's don't lack bass.

b) Jpelg says, "Glad you like them, they lack bass to me, but so long as you enjoy them."

c) Neruda says basically the same thing: "As long as you like them, it doesn't matter what others say."

d) MacDef says, "I agree, but it's still funny when people claim that the AKG's don't lack bass...." (Notice the difference? This is where the friendly discussion all goes to hell.)

e) Neruda says that the Senn HD600 has innaccurate bass.

f) MacDef says that the HD600 bass is accurate if paired with a good amp, K501 bass is not as accurate nor as extended, the HD600 bass is flatter and more extended. He then says something about which bass is better is a matter of taste BUT as you get into higher-quality systems, the HD600 is CLEARLY superior.

g) Neruda says it doesn't matter what amp is used, the HD600 still has heavy bass.

h) MacDef refers to the theory of relativity and how some people only perceives the HD600 bass as heavy because they don't know better. He then tries to be objective and talks about how both headphones have their flaws. Interesting how one can go from "the HD600 clearly has superior bass" to "they both have their faults and it's only a matter of preference."


Come on now. People on this forum obviously don't want to have this same discussion again because it's been done to death, but you still deemed it necessary for it to be brought up again. An innocent little thread about one person's love an enjoyment for his headphones turned into an argument involving the disparagement of each other's headphone prefs. You claim to be inciting discussion, but I think you're just stirring up trouble and pointless rehashed trouble at that.
post #53 of 62
sTaTIx, how about stopping the outlandish accusations (I "always" do such-and-such, I "take it personally" when people disagree, I think everyone's out to get me, I'm not really trying to discuss, I'm really just stirring up trouble). They're childish, not to mention inaccurate. Geesh... give it a rest.

Read Flasken's post. If you're not going to apologize for your flaming, then just drop it, and stop with the idiotic "lighten up" comments when you're taking this thing more seriously than anyone else.

I'm tempted to address your very misleading "rehash" of how this thread progressed, but since everyone else can read just fine, and see that it's misleading, in the interest of putting this little flamewar of yours to bed and getting on with discussion, I'll refrain. How about you do the same?
post #54 of 62
Thread Starter 
Sheesh...I leave for one day...and this thread gets raped. I think both are absolutely wonderfull headphones. As many have said before...It is a matter of taste. I like the K501's because they sound so much like the middle area of a live concert. The HD600's sound like the back row of a live concert. Personally...I prefer to sit closer to the middle when attending a live concert, so I prefer the K501's. If HD600's had the imaging of the K501's...we would have the perfect dynamic headphones for the time being. Currently, there is only so much that speakers and headphones can do to reproduce sound. It seems to me that many people's opinions are biased according to what equipment they currently own. They like to think it is the best for the price...or else they will feel that their money has been wasted. In my opinon, you can not buy headphones better than K501's for under 200$. I've been a/b-ing the two for hours...and I've concluded that the HD600's have a fuller sound, while the K501's have a better imaging, and a more relaxed presentation. The reason for all of this bass talk about the K501 is mostly because everyone considers the HD600 to be the "reference" headphone. What is that about? For a true reference, I use the only thing that should ever be used as a reference, which is a concert itself. I use Jeff Beck's "You had it coming" as my reference music because I saw that in concert. I can listen to speakers or headphones with that cd, and if they remind me enough of that concert, I know it is a good product. Frankly, the K501's remind me more of that concert, so i prefer them. Don't get me wrong, I still do like the HD600's quite a lot, and think that the two headphones are equal in performance. For me, I slightly prefer the K501 because it brings me a bit closer to the concert experience. The HD600's may bring others (including stereophile) closer to the live concert experince...so good for them. I just know what sounds best according to my taste in music, and my idea of what accurate music is. I could be wrong though, since I can not a/b the two headphones with a 1000$ + amp, but frankly...i am quite happy with what I have for the time being. Also, I don't think that people should knock any phones that they havn't heard before. If I were to find some magical little headphones that I got from the former Soviet Union's Secret Sound Research lab which reproduced music with absolute perfection, but they looked cheaper than MX500's, people would call me a lunatic and totally disregard everything I have to say. Now if these headphones were covered in wood and had a high price tag...im sure some people would not overlook the headphones without hearing them once. *sigh i'm going off on a tangent* Anyway...all i am saying is...compare, contrast and find out what you like. I think a reference headphone amp would be a better thing to have, since headphones are usually cheaper to replace or upgrade than headphone amps.
post #55 of 62
Thread Starter 
Why do I feel as though i have poured gas on the fire?
post #56 of 62
Quote:
Originally posted by TimSchirmer
Why do I feel as though i have poured gas on the fire?
LOL, don't worry, Tim. I actually enjoyed that post quite a bit.

By the way, I'm sorry that your thread got hijacked. If I had known that all hell would break loose if I discussed the bass issue, I would have just shut up.
post #57 of 62
Quote:
Originally posted by jopi


The 600s are both dark and veiled, but the 501s are harsh and brittle beyond comprehension.

As I said, it's a toughie.
Especially when you are obviously deaf.
post #58 of 62
Tim: Excellent response. That is exactly how I feel about both headphones, except that I listen mostly with the HD600. That is not a knock against the 501, just a personal preference.

Quote:
Originally posted by MacDEF
By the way, I'm sorry that your thread got hijacked. If I had known that all hell would break loose if I discussed the bass issue, I would have just shut up. [/B]
Except opinions is the essence of this forum. Hi-Fi is like a radio talk show. Take away the opinions of the call in members and you are stuck with the opinions of the host. Boring! I’m uncomfortable with some of the flaming that takes place, but certainly not with the debates. And you cannot have debates without opinions.
post #59 of 62
I own both headphones and love both headphones, they are both wonderful cans to own. I personally prefer the Sennheisers right now because they have more weight to a recording which makes bass guitar and bass drum more enjoyable. I just received a Maxed out home from headroom to demo for 2 weeks and i can't wait to sit down and really listen to all my cans with it.
post #60 of 62
I am just going to have to get a pair of 600s and graft a pair of
501 transducer into them and get the best of both worlds..

A veiled sound with a rolled off bass...

No,wait that can't be right I mean a rolled of veil with a ..

Oh forget it, I would.


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