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post #31 of 125
Great review, thanks for your effort.

I had a question if someone could help it would be appreciated. I currently have the e2, and am looking to upgrade. From what I have read the e4 seems like a great option.

I am a little concerned about the bass however. I have heard it described as thin. I am fairly happy with the bass in the e2, although it is somewhat muddy. I found an amp tightens it up quite a bit. With an amp it has enough punch to satisfy me as I listen to mostly rock.

How would the bass compare between the e2 and the e4, both with and without an amp? I'm sure it is quite a bit cleaner and tighter, but I am more concerned with overall impact. Thanks for your help guys! And thanks again to Jasper for the review!
post #32 of 125
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Originally Posted by quackattack
Great review, thanks for your effort.

I had a question if someone could help it would be appreciated. I currently have the e2, and am looking to upgrade. From what I have read the e4 seems like a great option.

I am a little concerned about the bass however. I have heard it described as thin. I am fairly happy with the bass in the e2, although it is somewhat muddy. I found an amp tightens it up quite a bit. With an amp it has enough punch to satisfy me as I listen to mostly rock.

How would the bass compare between the e2 and the e4, both with and without an amp? I'm sure it is quite a bit cleaner and tighter, but I am more concerned with overall impact. Thanks for your help guys! And thanks again to Jasper for the review!
I don't think it is going to be an issue. The e4 will have as much bass as the e2. I just think it is better controlled. If you really want bass get the UEs or save 300 and get the e5s. I think the best bass is from the e5s.
post #33 of 125
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Originally Posted by elnero
I'm not sure what to make of your comments about the tips though, I haven't used the foamies extensively because I don't particularly like the idea of having to buy new ones all the time so I've been paying more attention to the flex sleeves. I started out using the small grey soft flex sleeves but switched to the small clear ones because the grey ones were doing some odd things. The clear ones offered a slightly drier, thinner sound but are quite detailed. I've since switched back to the soft grey ones and I think these offer a smoother, fuller presentation with a little more heft in the bass. I'll have to try the foamies more extensively to see how they compare but my initial thoughts were they weren't too far of the soft grey flex sleeves sound.

One thing I've noticed with the Shures is some oddness with the tips. At first I thought I was getting a seal but the sound was really thin and bass shy. Then I got a better seal with the small flex tips but they have to be inserted further than I was led to believe by some posts. I've retried the medium grey flex sleeves on a couple of occassions and again while I seemingly get a proper seal the sound is incredibly thin and little bass to speak of. I have to wonder if some of the comments/complaints I've read are due to this?

Try the foams, they really give the best overall sound. I did try getting a deeper seal with the soft grey tips... Becareful, I got them stuck in my ear canal! Thankfully I was able to extract them with a pair of tweezers. I've never experienced this in the past because I've always inserted the E4 to the same depth as I do with the E5 which is relatively shallow. There's definately a shrillness to the sound with the soft grey tips.
post #34 of 125
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Originally Posted by BRBJackson
Did you have a chance to sample the Ety tri-flanges on the E4's? Personally, I was ready to ship my E3's back before using the tri's.
I'm using Ety tri-flanges on E4c. Btw, E4c come with a pair of Shure tri-flanges which are, IMO, useless unless you cut off ridiculously long tube where driver nozzels are supposed to go. With this mod they're exactly like Ety ones in terms of material, size, shape, fit and sound.

Anyway, as opposed to E3c I'm kinda dissapointed with the effect tri-flanges have on E4c. It's the same great fit and isolation but where on E3c tri-flanges made for the most smooth, deep and ballanced sound of all tips except for foamies on E4c tri-flanges dull the sound and shrink and flatten soundstage (that's not great to begin with). And since tri-flanges were my main tips with E3c I know how to properly insert them. I guess some bad blood going on between E4c and tri-flanges.

With E4c I found silicon clear tips giving me best sound overal with most bass and treble but least forward mids but they are very uncomfortable. I hate yellow foamies becuase I'm lazy. This leaves me with grey comfort tips which are ok but don't seal well and thus produce some shower radio sound.

Overal, as you may already sensed, I'm mildly dissapointed with E4c. Probably I had unrealistic expectations about degree of sound imporvement over E3c. And then I made a tragic mistake of listening to Pink Floyd with E4c side by side with my home K-501 (both hooked to Creek OBH-11 headamp via splitter). I'm still getting over that experience
post #35 of 125
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Originally Posted by quackattack
Great review, thanks for your effort.

I had a question if someone could help it would be appreciated. I currently have the e2, and am looking to upgrade. From what I have read the e4 seems like a great option.

I am a little concerned about the bass however. I have heard it described as thin. I am fairly happy with the bass in the e2, although it is somewhat muddy. I found an amp tightens it up quite a bit. With an amp it has enough punch to satisfy me as I listen to mostly rock.

How would the bass compare between the e2 and the e4, both with and without an amp? I'm sure it is quite a bit cleaner and tighter, but I am more concerned with overall impact. Thanks for your help guys! And thanks again to Jasper for the review!
Thanks!

The E2 is definately bassier, if you want to keep that level of bass you may want to consider the UE Super.Fi 5 Pro or Shure E5 instead. With the foam tips the E4's offer excellent bass but as I meantioned, it stays balanced with the rest of the sound. If you like more forward bass it may not be the best earphone for you.
post #36 of 125
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Originally Posted by albau
I'm using Ety's tri-flanges on E4c. Btw, E4c come with a pair of Shure's tri-flanges which are, IMO, basically useless you cut off ridiculously long tube where driver nozzels are supposed to go. With this mod they're exactly like Ety ones in terms of material, size, shape, fit and sound.
According to Sugarfried, the idea of the Shure Tri-Flange was to make a larger tip that could be cut down to fit the individual user. It was never really meant to be used full sized.

FWIW, I think the Shure Tri-Flange is slightly thicker/denser, the Ety Tri-Flange seems more supple.

BRBJackson,

Sorry it took me so long to get the review done, I have had a lot of family obligations recently.

I did try the Ety flange with the E4 and I like them better than the soft grey tips but it still doesn't sound as good as the foam tips. Of course, your milage may vary... I'm trying to get over to Edwood's place tomorrow, maybe he won't mind hosting a mini meet. He lives in San Pedro.
post #37 of 125
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Originally Posted by dshea_32665
Jasper,

I own Ety 4s and am not a fanatic and would be willing to switch to something if it is better. Could I ask you this if you still have them, did you use foamies or the tri-flange? I ask this because your reaction to switching to foamies on the E4 is the same experience I had when going to the foamies on the E4s. The difference is quite significant.

I have also listened to my foamies modified for almost a year now (one third of the width cut off from them, or a Sure yellow foamie is supposed to do the same thing). The other day for fun I put on a full foamie and I didn't care for the sound and had the same reaction that you did in your review. The modified foamies really transform the Etys into something special IMO, and I would love to see a comparison between the Shure E4/5 and the modded Ety4s. Would you be able to do this?

Thanks,
dshea

I tried both tri-flanges as well as foam tips (FWIW, I was using the Shure yellow foams rather than the Etymotic foam). I agree the foam tip sounds much better.

I still prefer the sound of the E4 to the ER4s even though shoving the Ety in really far as someone suggested does help them quite a bit (the trebles tamed down quite a bit actually; it was a bit uncomfortable though and I experienced this weird plugged feeling in my ears after removing them). I think the biggest difference for me when compared this way is that the E4 is much more involving than the ER4s. This may be partially attributed to the better bass response of the E4 as well as the increase in decay compared to the Etymotic.

Incidentally, inserting the Ety that deep also helped with microphonics (as mentioned by someone earlier in the thread) it's still the poorest performing of the bunch and the shirt clip is absolutely necessary, but the improvement was significant.

The clear silicone tip on the E4 isn't terrible but the foam tip still sounds much better IMHO.
post #38 of 125
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Originally Posted by Ozric
Ah, the long-awaited comparison at last Thanks for the great read! It appears that the conviction of my intuitive pre-order purchase back when the initial brouhaha first broke will hold out. Can't wait for my new black E4s
They aren't black! They're charcoal grey!!!
post #39 of 125
This is off-topic and apologies in advance for doing that. Can anybody in England tell me how much VAT they ended up paying for a $200 purchase on IEMs that were delivered to England etc? What's the process and how to go about doing it.

Thanks in advance.
post #40 of 125
Your VAT will be based on what the value is placed on the package. So if the value of the package is set at 100 USD your VAT is based on that 100 dollars..

Which I believe for the UK is 17.5 percent.

So $17.50 USD for every 100.00 USD

Keith Ashwood
post #41 of 125
Thanks Keith. I've sent you a mail just now. Could you kindly answer those queries as well. Thanks again.
post #42 of 125
Japser,

Update us on the mini meet =D
post #43 of 125
Thread Starter 
Sounds like a go for Friday afternoon. PM me for time and stuff.
post #44 of 125

Importing to UK

Hi Haroon,

You will have to pay around 6% import duty in addition to the VAT. With my UE's I received a bill about a month after delivery from Fedex for the duty and VAT. The way to avoid this is by having the US company describe them as a gift under $60 value. Some US suppliers are happy to do this. Todd helped me out in this way.

regards

John
post #45 of 125
Thanks John.
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