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post #16 of 125
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Originally Posted by episiarch
Inserted that way and properly sealed, I don't find them at all thin when driven with decent amplification (which you clearly have). Not-heavily-bassy, yes; but thin, no. So I feel you may not have heard all that these earphones are capable of. I hope you'll give them another try, because with a good fit, good seal, and good amplification I find them anything but unconvincing.
I have the ER4P for 4 months and I can see why many people might not like their sound signature. But I can also see how people might think they have a good seal when in reality the don't.

After a lot of experimentation with the black foamies and the tri-flanges I thought I could get a good seal with the former and a decent, but a llittle bit inferior, with the later.

Out of pure curiosity I asked Etymotic to send me some samples (the send them internationally, excellent service) and to my surprise the huge yellow foamies were actually wearable. I thought that those were made for giants with ears the size of a frying pan but it is not the case. They can be squeezed very thin an are quite easy to insert and comfortable to wear.
And not only that. They turned out to offer the best seal and sound of the lot by far. The sound difference is amazing. Not thin at all to my ears.

Just a thought.
post #17 of 125
Hi there people,

I'm new here and this is my first post. Very nice board. Nice review Jasper. It really was helpful.

I have a small question. Earphonesolutions.com is selling the E4 and it says XM Radios and portables in the description. The price of the IEM went up slightly after adding that in the product description. I'm not to knowledgeable on that so can anybody kindly guide me as to what they mean by XM Radios and Portables?

Thanks in advance.

Haroon.
post #18 of 125
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Originally Posted by ntsour
Out of pure curiosity I asked Etymotic to send me some samples (the send them internationally, excellent service) and to my surprise the huge yellow foamies were actually wearable. I thought that those were made for giants with ears the size of a frying pan but it is not the case. They can be squeezed very thin an are quite easy to insert and comfortable to wear.
And not only that. They turned out to offer the best seal and sound of the lot by far. The sound difference is amazing. Not thin at all to my ears.
Thanks for that tip....I'm going to try them. They are so huge that I thought there was no way that they would work.
post #19 of 125
Personally I found the foam tips to be a pain. They collect wax. They also fall apart over time. They are interesting for a change. And what the hell you get them for free. But everytime you want to talk to some you pull them out. You have to sqeeze them down to fit them back in. It was a pain.

I just used the tri-flanges and I would wet the tip with alittle spit. This made the seal alittle better. Not very sanitary but got the job done.

And yea there is a notible sound difference. Not to mention they go in easiler.
post #20 of 125
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Originally Posted by Haroon
I'm not to knowledgeable on that so can anybody kindly guide me as to what they mean by XM Radios and Portables?
XM Radios means XM satellite radio, which is a new satellite-based radio system. Portables presumably grabs the entire category of portable music players, from iPods, to classic Walkmans, Discmans, flash players, etc. Anyway, I wouldn't put too much weight into these things, and the price adjustment is purely coincidental.

Welcome to head-fi, sorry 'bout that wallet...

Best,

-Jason
post #21 of 125
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Originally Posted by chrisfromalbany
I just used the tri-flanges and I would wet the tip with alittle spit. This made the seal alittle better. Not very sanitary but got the job done.

And yea there is a notible sound difference. Not to mention they go in easiler.
Moistening them does help (both ways). However there are some products that I recommend as improvements over "lick it and stick it."

One is Oto-Ease, which seems to be made for professional audiologists and the like: anyway, it's a purpose-built lube for things that go in your ear. Not easy to find, but I think earplugstore.com carries it. It seems to be partly alcohol, so it goes in a little cold-feeling, and the lube dries up relatively quickly.

Oto-ease does work well, but I often use Murine ear drops (or a generic drugstore equivalent, in either case very widely available) instead. They're basically glycerin plus a small amount of a chemical that seems to liquefy earwax. It's longer-lasting than the Oto-ease. On the minus side, since it doesn't dry up fast, you might want to be careful where you put your tri-flanges after you remove them from your ears.

In either case, a very small amount smeared on the tri-flanges really works a treat in easing insertion and improving the seal.
post #22 of 125
I still think that the E4's did not have enough treble energy coming from a set of cans like any Grado or DT880. They improve on the E3's but not enough to make me want them (I couldn't accept the rolloff inherent in the E3's). I do agree that it's the most balanced of the Shures, but to me, that's still not enough. If you listen for that subtle shimmer from instruments like cymbals, I still feel it it dulls the sparkle in the sound.

I also think that IEM's suffer from great variances in sound due to different people's seal capability and even ear shape. I've heard people say that E3's were bright when to me they are duller any other headphone on the market I've ever heard.

With my Ety's, I can get a great seal with the foams, and they sound superbly balanced, right down to about 30Hz. It does lack a bit of impact compared to full sized cans, but it presents a more consistent soundstage to me, more evenly placed.

I'm beginning to think that reviews of IEM's have less relevance than any other reviews of normal headphones, as the experience varies so much from person to person.
post #23 of 125
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Originally Posted by Haroon
Hi there people,

I'm new here and this is my first post. Very nice board. Nice review Jasper. It really was helpful.

I have a small question. Earphonesolutions.com is selling the E4 and it says XM Radios and portables in the description. The price of the IEM went up slightly after adding that in the product description. I'm not to knowledgeable on that so can anybody kindly guide me as to what they mean by XM Radios and Portables?

Thanks in advance.

Haroon.
Haroon,
I think the addition of "XM Radios and Portables" just happened to correspond with the price increase for the E4's. They probably wanted to catch the eye of those that were looking for IEM upgrades for other portables and not just "iPod" owners.
With regard to the price increase, it could be because they are shipping out today or tomorrow and, up to now, they have been considered "pre-orders". The funny thing is that the E4C's (white ones) are still at $198. Must be because the demand has slowed a bit from the initial rush.......don't know. Might be someone lurking from Shure (Sugarfried, are you out there) or earphonesolutions that could shed some more light on your question.
Welcome to HeadFi, and let me be the first to offer the standard greeting/caveat........"Sorry about your wallet".
Cheers, Dean

looks like jjcha beat me to the reply..
post #24 of 125
About the price increase. As far I as I have seen, the black E4s have been $230 for the entire time they have been available on earphonesolutions. Am I missing something?

Incidentally, I find this very strange that the identical black E4s are $30 more than the only cosmetically different E4cs. Frustrating if you ask me. This is why I didn't buy from earphonesolutions (at least for the E4s).
post #25 of 125
The free shipping at Headroom and 10% discount for Head-Fi Contributing members makes the E4 a great deal from them.
post #26 of 125
Coming it a bit late on this, but great review, Jasper! I've been waiting for someone with IEM experience to get all of those phones into their hands for a comparo. One question, though. Did you have a chance to sample the Ety tri-flanges on the E4's? Personally, I was ready to ship my E3's back before using the tri's.

Great, now I'm lusting after yet another pair of phones
post #27 of 125
Thank you guys for the help and welcome. It's a bit strange that the E4s started at $228.00 while the E4C remained at $198.00 and then the E4s price dropped for a few days and now it is up again.

This board is superb.
post #28 of 125
Just remember, earphonesolutions.com matches prices of other authorized Shure distributors. Their communication has been very good, and my understanding is that others have had very good experience with them with rergard to customer service.
That being said, both earphonesolutions and Headroom are sponsors of this board, so supporting either of them with your business would be a nice thing to do.

Oh yeah......don't forget American Techpushers as well. They are a sponsor too and deserve consideration. I believe you need to e-mail them to get the final selling price...... mailto:shuree4@americantechpushers.com
post #29 of 125
Thanks for the info Caboose. I've sent a query to American Techpushers and will see what they have to say. I'll try to contact the others and see what they say as well. Your help is much appreciated.
post #30 of 125
No problem. Pay it forward, I always say and I have been helped by many, many people on this site. I have to say, it is one of the most helpful, civil and mature (99% of the time) forums I have ever had the pleasure of participating in.
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