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post #16 of 38
Fred, sorry but that is too funny. What ever the guys motives may be, don't you think it's quite amusing that he worships you in a bizarre way? Just block his address...
btw, the mmf-5 looks great in the pic of the cables, I'm just itching to get a used mmf-2 or something.

For a while, I've prefered the Clou Red cable over the stock due to the improvement in bass, however I've gotten fatigued from the tonal imbalance and treble grain. I'm looking forward to the Equinox very much.
post #17 of 38

Re: answer for an idiot

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Originally posted by Tuberoller
I hate to use this thread to vent,but I have a zit I gotta bust.some nit-wit uses this forum and emails me and harrasses me everytime I make a post answering any type of equipment question.Today his email was titled "you are full of ****".He/she states that I probably don't have any of the cables that I'm talking about and more than likely don't have any of the equipment listed in my profile.He goes on to call me a liar and POS.He never responds to emails I send back and I have always tried to be nice to him.Today was the kicker.these are pics of the Cables .I might be an ******* but I'm no liar.I never make any statements or offer opinions on gear that I have never heard.Most of the time I have owned the gear or auditioned it extensively.I also usually post pics of the gear that I have heard and from the shows that I attend.I know I should'nt let this get to me,but I'm sick of this guy.I expessed my preference for the Equinox cable despite my being a dealer for both the Cardas and Equinox.The profit margin on the Equinox is much smaller than the Cardas and I have not attempted to make any sales based on my opinions.I might respond via pm to a post about a head-fier wanting to try something that I carry but I don't lurk the boards making posts and offering biased opinions to drum up sales.like I said I'm sorry to do this here but I know this guy is subscribed to this thread so maybe he'll see this.
Why not just filter his email addresses away? Or, better yet, sign him up to a bunch of pr0n lists??
post #18 of 38
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys! And I was all set to buy a Cardas cable. I would really like to hear the Equinox and the Cardas with my current equipment.

Sorry to hear about the harrassing TubeRoller. I really appreciate your input on this thread.

What's the best price on the Equinox cables online?
post #19 of 38
would love for an opportunity to demo the cables before purchase. when is headroom making a world tour down to sydney!

hate to sound skeptical but is there a Equinox bandwagon because it is the more pricey cable?
post #20 of 38
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Originally posted by Pigmode:

Where can I order an Equinox and what is a good price to pay?
The 9' Equinox goes for $189.00. You can order them directly through Stefan Audioart or you can order them through Tube-Stat Audio (Tuberoller's store).
post #21 of 38

Re: answer for an idiot

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Originally posted by Tuberoller
I expessed my preference for the Equinox cable despite my being a dealer for both the Cardas and Equinox.
Tuberoller, is there a website for your store? We'd like to check it out! tubeaudio.com is a place in AZ....

Thanks.
post #22 of 38
website coming soon.I can only sell Cardas locally.As explained to me by Cardas "Music Direct and Headroom sell only one specialty product"so they are allowed to sell online and mailorder.I can only sell the cable in Chicago.I can sell the Stefan cable by mail and phone order and have a few in stock.please pm me and I will arrange an audition.

edit:I can only sell Cardas in Northern Indiana where my store will be based soon.
post #23 of 38
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Originally posted by Tuberoller
website coming soon.I can only sell Cardas locally.As explained to me by Cardas "Music Direct and Headroom sell only one specialty product"so they are allowed to sell online and mailorder.I can only sell the cable in Chicago.I can sell the Stefan cable by mail and phone order and have a few in stock.please pm me and I will arrange an audition.

edit:I can only sell Cardas in Northern Indiana where my store will be based soon.
You should commision JMT to build you a dozen amps so you can sell 'specaility' products. ;-)
post #24 of 38
When Cardas refers to a "specialty product" they are referring to the replacement cable for the HD580/600.Since Headroom and Music Direct are not regular Cardas dealers,Cardas feels that they should be allowed to sell this one Cardas product anyway they want.They were also both allowed to stock the cable before regular dealers as well.I don't think this is fair but it has been done before.I'll deal with it.
post #25 of 38
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Originally posted by Tuberoller
When Cardas refers to a "specialty product" they are referring to the replacement cable for the HD580/600.Since Headroom and Music Direct are not regular Cardas dealers,Cardas feels that they should be allowed to sell this one Cardas product anyway they want.They were also both allowed to stock the cable before regular dealers as well.I don't think this is fair but it has been done before.I'll deal with it.
Ahh... yeah that really isn't fair to you is it? I guess the figure those guys will move more of that product than you. You would think that an authorized dealer would get frst dibs but it's all about the green I guess...

I really think that Cardas is the best-of-breed cable for the HD600s.
post #26 of 38
I have the Clou Reds and the Cardas smurf blue. I have not tried the Audioart cable. I'll be happy to sell the Clou's.

The Cardas is a definite improvement over both the Clou's and the stock cables. My view of the stock cable is that they make the 600's sound too flat. However, with some music I actually prefer the stock cable to the Clou which can sound "muddy". The presentation is very balanced with the Cardas. With the Cardas there is both more low end and high end with the mid range being left pretty much as is. The high end is still not bright to my ears. Yes I have and like Grado 325's so take that to heart - I like to hear the sizzle of cymbals and the sound of fingers squeaking on violin strings which never happened with the stock cables.

Both cables are rather stiff. The Equinox looks less stiff and definitely looks better than the smurf blue Cardas. On the other hand Cardas uses their own mini plugs to the headphones and the 1/4" jack is quite the piece of machine work. I took to heart the earlier extensive reviews in purchasing the Cardas over the Equinox. Those reviews suggested to me that there is more high end with the Cardas, which I think is even more important with tube amps contrary to some other suggestions here. On my MG Head I like using the headphone jack with the switch set to OTL.

My last comment is - spend the additional money to get a longer than stock cable. I find myself using the Grado's more these days as I find that the stock length Cardas - which is about the same as the stock cable - keeps me from moving around as I like. Sure I could use the same Grado extension as I do with the 325's but I think that would do some violence to the sound of the Senn's with the Cardas.

So who wants to buy the Clou's?
post #27 of 38
A cable, just like any other component, has to work in a system. It's not enough to say that one cable is better than another, for the answer might be different depending on the components being connected. For example, using my Melos or ZOTL, I prefer the Cardas Sennheiser cable. However, in my portable system, with PCDP and RA-1, the Cardas cable seems to kill dynamics a bit, and there's a bit of mid-range suckout. Replace the Cardas with the Clou and all's well again (and I'm seriously glad I didn't part with the Clou). I can't speak to the Equinox cable, as I haven't heard it. However, at least in my case, I need the flexibility of having both the Cardas and the Clou available to maximize HD-600 performance, depending on which system it's in.
post #28 of 38
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Originally posted by Nezer


Ahh... yeah that really isn't fair to you is it? I guess the figure those guys will move more of that product than you. You would think that an authorized dealer would get frst dibs but it's all about the green I guess...

I really think that Cardas is the best-of-breed cable for the HD600s.
I do not understand why they do it this way, but I have been waiting for my Cardas Senn cable since the beginning of April from a local dealer... Is Cardas not providing any stock for dealers right now and only giving all stock to Headroom and Music Direct??? Or are they just taking that long to make the cables?
post #29 of 38
I have both the Cardas and the Equinox and I prefer the Equinox by a long shot. It sounds more "musical" to me ( great bass, excellent mid range and very good to excellent highs), but the soundstage has to be heard to be believed. This is with pop, rock and jazz.


I'm getting a second HD 600 so I can A/B the cables in (as close to as I can make it) real time and see if there are different strengths for each (eg maybe the Cardas is better for classical?)
post #30 of 38
Just found out that Cardas should ship on the 25th... I hope it's true... It's been awhile.
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