|Originally posted by Hirsch
This is of course a simplistic assumption, and assumes that you know what to measure, which would be a very arrogant and likely false assumption for any scientist.
And, human ear is far from being accurate compared with today's measurement equipment and techniques, the same way sight is less accurate than microscopes or telescopes. And it has been quite well established by many years of research which are the limits of audibility of the human ear, which are at any case below the limits of today's measurement technology.
It is arrogant too that audiophiles that don't know much about audio from a scientifical or engineering point of view, think that they know more than people that has in fact studied and worked in these fields for many years. And some of these people are audiophiles too, but I guess a different type of audiophiles.
Only because most people at these forums think the same way about the importance of cables, it doesn't mean that is the truth. If you go to Usenet newsgroups such as rec.audio.high-end, rec.audio.tech or rec.audio.pro, you will find that most people, many of them (as opposite of most of you) with wide knowledge of engineering and science in the audio fields, audio professionals, etc, have different opinions than you. Please go to any recording studios, or ask any recording audio engineer at any of these studios about what type of cables they use. Won't find silver or strange hyper-expensive cables there...
|... is to look at the anecdotal data, determine if there is merit in the number of people who claim to hear differences, and then try to find out why.
adverse side effect reports to FDA. Eventually, there's enough anecdotal evidence that it becomes apparent that a controlled study is needed, and one is done.
There's no controlled test that I (or many people that know much more and has much more experience than me, and is on the real world of audio engineering and research) know that shows any difference in "how it sounds" in gear that doesn't show significant measured differences. Maybe a serious study over many people should be done to definitively disprove that this cable effect is happening. If this was disproved, there still would be many people that would say that they do hear a difference, so they don't want need to know anything else.
And for those that say that nobody has interest in studying the elusive properties of special cables, this is an example of what do people research on nowadays at the real world of audio and acoustics:
These guys must know a little about these things, don't you think so?
|Originally posted by kelly
To pretend differences we have not yet been able to measure do not exist even though we perceive them is to bury our heads in the sand and fall victim to the religion of science rather than using science.
a controlled test, using the adecuate (and banned at this forum) metodology. Sometimes our perceptions are not very reliable, and can be altered by many other factors aside from the real sound coming to our ears. Same thing happens with, for example, sight, see:
But if you're happy buying megabuck cables because they sound better to you, go ahead, it's your money and your enjoyment. But don't try to convince everybody that they DO sound different. They sound different to YOU for whatever reasons (placebo effect most probabily), but it's not because they are objetively better.