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post #16 of 51
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Originally Posted by Daroid
Why would he if the gaming community was still supporting him by buying his products, and buying his products yet again because of Bose-ism ? "PCI-E means greater sound quality", that statement will sell a lot of cards, especially since PCI *will* be phased out anyway. People like future proof solutions.
Too bad the X-Fi is going to be a PCI solution, at least to begin with.

What I'm interested in is what E-Mu is going to do with this thing.
post #17 of 51
Helter Skelter is right on. It's going to be PCI initially because they don't want to limit their market. PCI-E capable mobo's still have PCI. AGP based mobos (the majority of the market) don't have PCI-E however. They wouldn't sell many PCI-E cards until the 80-90% of the market with non PCI-E hardware overhauls their systems, ie new mobo, processor and video card at the very least.

And E-Mu designed the chip, so they must have had some sort of purpose for the chip other than what Creative wants to do with it. I'm sure they'll put all that power to good use. I just hope they can get more than two channels out of it this time around or I'll be stuck with Creative or Envy based cards forever.
post #18 of 51
Yes, Creative owns all E-MU stock, and thus it's a 100% Creative company. They already bought them out in 1997. So there is nothing to do. Problem is that people who buy this card will mainly be people who knows a lot about PCs (e.g. gamers) and the type of people who upgrade their pcs all the time. They'll want PCI-e. I haven't upgraded since mid-2001, the PC is showing it's age - I wanted to upgrade from PC133 SDRAM to a DDR system, mainly but even that seems impossible with Socket A and AGP 4x nowadays, so i'll need to upgrade CPU and video card too. Everything new release socket 939 now is PCI-e/PCI hybrids. with only 3-4 PCI slots on the new motherboards i don't have the space for new bought PCI devices.
post #19 of 51
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Originally Posted by Daroid
Yes, Creative owns all E-MU stock, and thus it's a 100% Creative company. They already bought them out in 1997. So there is nothing to do.
Sure there is. They can make something cool for us audio geeks like they did with the 10Kx series like they did with 0404 and 1212m, that's what they can do.
post #20 of 51
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Originally Posted by maarek99
3dss forums are now the rest of the world? Besides, even there (where people can't write worth of sith) is no agreement on things.

And you can bypass it completely getting full 44/48/96 khz with no resampling.
Speaking of people who can't write worth of sith, and read as well, I wouldn't talk so boldly mon ami. You comments are somewhat vague in the English grammer department, tho excusable if it isn't your primary language.

I assume when you say "bypass it" you mean skipping Creative's cards completely. Otherwise your statement is just plain wrong.

You are also welcome to come over to 3DSS and demonstrate for us how we don't know what we are talking about. Also, here on Head-Fi, people don't all agree either, and have been wrong as well, so if you plan on doing these little flames, be prepared to backup what you preach.
post #21 of 51
Sounds like it will be pretty nice to me. I don't understand why people are on Creative's back so much. They aren't nearly as evil with there proprietary software and drivers now and they even make a good gaming sound card.

Oh and BTW 5fps is the difference between life and death!
post #22 of 51

This is a bit off-topic, but...

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Originally Posted by Daroid
I wanted to upgrade from PC133 SDRAM to a DDR system, mainly but even that seems impossible with Socket A and AGP 4x nowadays, so i'll need to upgrade CPU and video card too. Everything new release socket 939 now is PCI-e/PCI hybrids. with only 3-4 PCI slots on the new motherboards i don't have the space for new bought PCI devices.
Check out the Abit NF7-S V2. It's available on Newegg.com for $82 and it has everything you're looking for: DDR-RAM (up to PC3200 and above), Socket A (pretty much any Socket A CPU (not sure about the Semprons though)), 5 PCI slots, AGP 4x/8x slot, and almost everything you could need or want (except video) built-in (networking, IDE, SATA, USB2.0, Firewire, audio (analog, PCM digital, and Dolby Digital 5.1)). I have one and I haven't had any problems with it.
post #23 of 51
Thanks, wasn't aware of the NF7-S. I think that if i'll need to buy "today" as in "NOW", it should have at least one PCI-e slot of some sort. The CPU "beast" i have now is a socket A 1200 Mhz Athlon TB which consumes 65-70W when loaded. A new Athlon 64 90nm Winchester consumes a little above 40W at full load (article) ... the Sempron looks interesting.

Now let's get on-topic again
post #24 of 51
Did anybody see any news on the X-fi? I'm asking because I went there about a day or two ago, and noticed that their X-Fi news countdown meter on Soundblaster.com show that new info would be released in six or seven days. Now it is saying 88 days.

EDIT: N/M, it was Creative probably forgetting to update the site or something, I haven't found any new news yet. Best I could find was this write-up by Toms Hardware on May 16, so maybe that was it:

http://www.tomshardware.com/consumer/20050516/
post #25 of 51
Unless it's better than the 0404 or 1212 and around $100-200 then forget it.
post #26 of 51
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Originally Posted by tschanrm
Did anybody see any news on the X-fi? I'm asking because I went there about a day or two ago, and noticed that their X-Fi news countdown meter on Soundblaster.com show that new info would be released in six or seven days. Now it is saying 88 days.

EDIT: N/M, it was Creative probably forgetting to update the site or something, I haven't found any new news yet. Best I could find was this write-up by Toms Hardware on May 16, so maybe that was it:

http://www.tomshardware.com/consumer/20050516/
Oooh we are so hyped up and excited about the new X-Fi, Creative! ... Now c'mon this isn't a McLaren Mercedes new formula one car release party, just pathetic

Great Tom's Bias-ware review. Just the summary: "Summary:
Lately, you might think sound cards are more about price wars than new technologies. But think again: Creative is about to come at the sector with a left hook. Its X-Fi audio processor packs 51.1 million transistors and a 400 MHz clock speed. We take a first look."

I really want to be a reviewer of all of Creative's products, it seems like the more compliments and praises you give their products the more you earn. Or is the payment quadrupled by each praise ? I better send an email and ask them.

EDIT: See this, this just amazing, exciting, wonderful, fantastic news:

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Originally Posted by Creative
CD and MP3 Music
All CD music is in 16-bit resolution, which is typically compressed from an original 24-bit studio recording. When converting CD music to MP3 format, the music is compressed yet again. These types of compression result in a compromise of audio quality and clarity. The Creative X-Fi Xtreme Fidelity audio processor drives new applications that can enhance MP3s by bringing them back to 24-bit quality, and allows the user to upgrade the music to multi-channel surround sound. This enhancement enables virtually all MP3 music to sound even better than it did on the original CDs.
Now you are spoiling us too much Creative
Do they really know how a sound card works, what bit-depth really is and the like ? Sometimes i'm doubting.
post #27 of 51
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Originally Posted by Kram Sacul
Unless it's better than the 0404 or 1212 and around $100-200 then forget it.
it's a dsp chip, not a new card...
post #28 of 51
Thread Starter 
LOL just saw this in tom's review:

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This function, called "24 bit Crystalizer," will be available in future products to offer quality comparable to that of DVD-Audio from traditional CD Audio sources, and even from compressed music
If I am reading this correctly, they are saying this "Crystalizer" will magically make mp3s sound as good DVD-Audio. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Kinda like CMSS improves sound rather than making it sound nothing like the artist intended :P
post #29 of 51
Practically everything I've heard and seen today is still under nda (or at least I'm not so sure what is and what isn't...), thus I just say: Be careful - premature bashing of X-fi based cards might very well turn into quite a bit of embarrassment later on.

Greetings from Hannover!

Manfred / lini
post #30 of 51
The X-FI tech might be great, it's just that their marketing methods are discusting as always - with many sneaky "work arounds", it's a piece of art

Under NDA - Have you been on a X-Fi tour ? Did you get to try one or "just" see an actual production/beta sample ?
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