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Superficial comparison Beyer DT 990 (old) and DT 770 Pro

post #1 of 49
Thread Starter 
Yes, me again, it's my headphone weekend it seems.

When reading Andreas Beyer thread, I remembered my antique & broken DT 990 (ca. 1990, no idea how much ohms, in theory 600). I had little hope to repair them, but after all, I succeeded 2 hours ago , cable exchange helped (they still look as if they were in the iraque war !)

Thus I compared them with my brand-new DT 770 Pro (250 Ohms) on big amp and on average amp.

Sound:
Very different cans. The old 990 sound is quite close to the Senn 595 sound (I had these here some days ago). I think it's a bit less squawky than the Senns on big amp, a bit warmer, but still rather on the naturalistic and realistic side of sound. The 770s are not realistic at all, with that well known "wall of sound" with strong highs and BASS BASS BASS. Yes, the mids are recessed in direct comparison with the 990s. The 990s are cans for conventianal music like classical, jazz, folk and that boring rock stuff. The 770s are rather for the music after 1990, trance, ambient, trip hop and (if liked) techno.

3D / Stereo
The 990s are really close to what the instrument is to sound like. But you get no idea where that instrument is located, location is really muddy. The 990s sound tends a bit into a "mono-effect" compared to the 770s. The 770s give you the impression to be in a large hall and thus represent the other extreme. I personally find that more fun. But I think most people will prefer the 990 sound after all.

Amp
Both sound better on big amp, but the amp does more for the 990s. They should be high ohm cans thus.

Comfort
The 990s are nice to wear, the 770s (Pro!!!) are head-squeezers. Luckily, I'm not that headache-type with uncomfortable phones. (BTW, the most comfortable cans I ever wore were Sony's CD 580)

Conclusion
After all, I'm really glad how this weekend turned out to be . First, the new bombastical 770s, then an headphone-amp for 5,50 € at Ebay, now my old 990s work again. I think I will use the 990s for all "serious" things like classical or jazz in future. But I seldem listen to that genre via headphone. So most work will be done by my new 770s still.
post #2 of 49
Sounds like the old 990 are a bit like the new 880 (without the 3D sound). The new 990 then is the best of the old 990 plus the best of the 770 . I wonder just why they call the new 880 their top headphone, while the in 80's the 990 was the top and the 880 only middle class. I think this is a bit confusing to long time beyer fans.
post #3 of 49
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Originally Posted by E.B.M.Head
[..]I wonder just why they call the new 880 their top headphone, while the in 80's the 990 was the top and the 880 only middle class. I think this is a bit confusing to long time beyer fans.
hey.. that's a sort of "brain jogging" for real longtime lovers, just like the more general advice to take different routes to work or place yourself on different chairs for dinner from time to time...
post #4 of 49
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Originally Posted by BrokenEnglish
hey.. that's a sort of "brain jogging" for real longtime lovers, just like the more general advice to take different routes to work or place yourself on different chairs for dinner from time to time...
True, but think of an aged die hard 990 fan that is used to the flat sound of the 600 Ohm version and then tries the new 250 Ohm version. He might get a heart attack from the huge bass
On the other hand maybe his hearing has degraded over the years and he might think the bass is just right. Then it would be very clever marketing of beyer. That makes me fear to try the next future version of the DT 990, as it probably will have a bass that will blow your eardrums
j/k
post #5 of 49
I didn't want to start another new thread in case it is redundant like the other I seem to have started, but I'm curious as to how I can identify the impedance on an old pair of DT 990s.

I don't know how old thes cans are, but at least 6 years and they have the left/right indicators on the INSIDE of the headband as opposed to the outside. These is no indication as to the impedance as with the newer model linked above.

My guess would be that they are the original 600ohm version, but I'm not sure and searching the forums have provided no indication. Thanks again
post #6 of 49
Oh, and the serial number is 521172 in case that helps...
post #7 of 49
It seems the newer 250 ohm DT 990 came out around 2001? If so that'd mean that the pair I'm curious about are probably 600 ohm. Would really appreciate some input if anyone's got any, or rather, is willing to share it
post #8 of 49
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Originally Posted by E.B.M.Head
Sounds like the old 990 are a bit like the new 880 (without the 3D sound). The new 990 then is the best of the old 990 plus the best of the 770 . I wonder just why they call the new 880 their top headphone, while the in 80's the 990 was the top and the 880 only middle class. I think this is a bit confusing to long time beyer fans.
It seems that they are going back to the 770<880<990 setup in the brand new series of Beyers, at least in terms of pricing from what I've gathered. I'm not exactly sure if they have changed anything in the new series but they are still offering the 600 ohm drivers in the custom headphone setups.
post #9 of 49
Thread Starter 
Funny (and a bit shy) that you've warmed up one of my newbee threads. I was so new then that I didn't even know how to subscribe to a thread.

To talk at large, I'd vote for 600 Ohms as well. E.B.M.heads remarks gives you a second hint in respect of that typical old DT990 sound. If bass isn't that heavy and soundstage doesn't create bombastical 3D impressions, it will propably be one of these old 600 Ohms versions.

BTW, it worked out that I don't use my old 990's at all. Can't stand them. These are my wife's gaming cans meanwhile.
post #10 of 49
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Originally Posted by nickchen
Funny (and a bit shy) that you've warmed up one of my newbee threads...
Didn't mean let loose any old demons! I couldn't get much response to some threads I began and figured pehaps it was because I was breaking house rules or something, so I decided to post my question on an older thread that was discussing the can at hand, and it just so happens that you lucked out!

Thanks for the help with respect to the old 990 sound, but unfortunately I don't have the 990s in question to listen to. I'm looking at buying a pair but the guy selling them doesn't know what the impedance is. All I have to go on is is the appearance (that's why I stressed the Left/Right marking are in the inside as opposed to the outside like the new versions). I bought myself a Pa2V2 amp from Electric Avenues (and am loving it, btw), but Gary told me it's for use in cans up to 320 ohms - meaning that if I buy 990s at 600 ohms, my current rig won't handle it too well.

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Originally Posted by nickchen
I was so new then that I didn't even know how to subscribe to a thread.
Erm, susbscribe? Guess I'm still pretty new around here... Thanks and I promise I'll let this thread die real soon
post #11 of 49
Thread Starter 
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I'm looking at buying a pair but the guy selling them doesn't know what the impedance is.
Let's fix that the chance of these cans to be old 600Ohm models is 50% or higher. Thus, I severly recommend to look elsewhere for decent HPs. Even if that guy will only charge 20$ for them (what I doubt), you'll get technically inferior bad sounding deadly boring crap.

Hint: My "little Grado" Koss KSC75 (~20$) sounds 10 times as good as that stoneage can. If you prefer neutral sound, the Senn PX100 (~50$) would serve you adequately. Both would be highly portabel and did not need an amp.
post #12 of 49
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Originally Posted by nickchen
Let's fix that the chance of these cans to be old 600Ohm models is 50% or higher. Thus, I severly recommend to look elsewhere for decent HPs. Even if that guy will only charge 20$ for them (what I doubt), you'll get technically inferior bad sounding deadly boring crap.

Hint: My "little Grado" Koss KSC75 (~20$) sounds 10 times as good as that stoneage can. If you prefer neutral sound, the Senn PX100 (~50$) would serve you adequately. Both would be highly portabel and did not need an amp.

Hey, right on, after you mentioned subscribing, I figured out how to do so and got notice of your reply through email. No more of that F5 crap!

I figure you're right about the likeliness of these being the old 600 ohm version, and I sure as hell won't go for it with a review like the one above

I do have a small amp (PA2V2), so my portable stuff won't go unamped. I'm actually shooting for an old 770 at 80 ohms [ ], it's just that I read a lot of favorable stuff about the 990 and thought that if I could get it cheap, why not? Well now I know. Thanks!
post #13 of 49
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Originally Posted by nickchen
But you get no idea where that instrument is located, location is really muddy. The 990s sound tends a bit into a "mono-effect" compared to the 770s
Reading this, it seems that the major difference between old and new DT990 is the soundstage. My "new" DT990 has sometimes a too large and "too stereo" soundstage.

I'm happy you were able to repair your old DT990, take care of them. and happy listening

Andrea
post #14 of 49
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I'm happy you were able to repair your old DT990, take care of them.
I personally did not care at all. But if they broke down again, my wife had to use her LCD-Monitor built-in speakers again. Thunder, I can tell you...
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I'm actually shooting for an old 770 at 80 ohms [ ], it's just that I read a lot of favorable stuff about the 990 and thought that if I could get it cheap, why not?
770's are "made" for all kind of electronica, Trip Hop, etc. But they're specialists which fall (to a certain extend) short with all sorts of stringed and acoustical instruments. So if your music style varies more than mine and sometimes leans towards Rock or Classical, you better head towards a DT990 (but not the 600Ohms version )

If I could "restart" my whole HP carreer again, I might begin with the unamped AT A900 instead of my thunderous Beyers plus amp.
post #15 of 49
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Originally Posted by nickchen
770's are "made" for all kind of electronica, Trip Hop, etc. But they're specialists which fall (to a certain extend) short with all sorts of stringed and acoustical instruments. So if your music style varies more than mine and sometimes leans towards Rock or Classical, you better head towards a DT990 (but not the 600Ohms version )
The 770s are then made for a lot of what I listen to, though I dread to think about what they'll sound like when I decide to play Chopin or whatever. My first foray into high-end headphones was a pair of Grado 325s (the un-"i"mproved version) and although they didn't smack in the low end as much as I would have liked, I did think they were quite exceptional. Really, too good, as a lot of my sources are, well, far from perfect. I ended up returning them as they were a gift and I couldn't stand the thought of someone spending 500$ (CDN, yes, the price was really inflated) on me. Furthermore, 500$ on a headphone seemed INSANE to me. No longer though, after a little head-fi action, $500 seems like chump change. Too bad I am poor and putting myself in the financial doghouse to get new headphones!!!

So, today I went ahead and ordered a new pair of Dt 770s (80 ohms) - much as a result of some lurking around this place. I'm really excited, though I do think that I will be forced into getting another HP for classical, acoustic and jazz stuff. I really would like another pair of Grados for their detail, most seem to think they are rock-cans, but I think they'd sound quite nice in a classical setting. The Allesandros seem to be beckoning me as well....
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