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Can anyone tell me the weakness of K1000?

post #1 of 40
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i have listened to it once and i felll in love with this lovely K1000

i lose the interest in my HD600 and DT880 already ...

can anyone tell me the negative side of K1000 and let me be more rational ?

post #2 of 40
fatt kor....k1000 em hai "headphone" lei gei....it is a mini speaker....feels better now?

em hou yi toong headphone bei gau....
post #3 of 40
Ive never actually heard those before, but they seem to be the ultimate headphones - lack of bass without pads - lack of soundstage with pads, I think those are the only weaknesses... If im wrong feel free to flame me for posting about something i havent heard ^_^
post #4 of 40
K1000 can't reproduce the lowest bass. That's about it. This isn't much of an issue to me because many other headphones which can make lower bass aren't as clear.

There's also little isolation in the K1000. Outside noise can be distracting.
post #5 of 40
1. Takes lots of power to drive them properly (most headphone jacks aren't up to the task).

2. Tendency to sound "bright" or "strident in the highs", especially if mixed with the wrong components upstream.

Their totally open nature is a feature, not a weakness. Gotta match the hardware to the application.

I think they have plenty of accurate bass, especially when driven properly and the drivers are positioned parallel to the ears.
post #6 of 40
I agree that they tend to sound bright and don't reproduce the lowest bass, but for me the weakness that made me sell them was the comfort issue. It's the least comfortable headphone ever (for me), even worse than PS-1 which I sold for the same reason. Otherwise, excellent headphone
post #7 of 40

K1000 Weaknesses:

Keep in mind that some of these can be reduced with better/more synergous equipment/cable upgrades, but I feel they can never be truly resolved:

Sonics:
1. Cannot reproduce lowest bass notes; this is coupled by an unnatural decline of bass starting at 50Hz or so.
2. Soundstage: I actually prefer the soundstage that normal headphones provide (especially the R10 and HE90); the K1000 is very wide, but it lacks vertical placement and sounds actually sounded too distinct (which sounded unnatural to me) – this means the headphone lacks cohesion compared to others, IMO.
3. Treble: this can be too harsh and/or strident with the wrong equipment (some may prefer to sacrifice smoothness for detail - the T-amp achieves this); I prefer the K1000 with the RVK (with that amp there were no treble issues).

Comfort:
1. Though expanding the temple pads and moving the headband help alleviate most of the issues, I always felt slight discomforts when using the K1000 for a prolonged amount of time.
2. Looking up or down, or lying down are near-impossibilities with the K1000.

Amplification Issues:
The K1000 requires a power amplifier or headphone amplifier that can produce 2-7 watts of power (the Corda Prehead and RKV are headphone amplifier solutions), and until the advent of the T-amp, the cheapest amplifier for the K1000 was the ~$400 nOrh; I found that even a maxed-out $250 T-amp was no match for the RKV (which is ~$1000).

Design Limitations:
The very nature of the K1000 mean that it leaks more than any other headphone (or earspeaker) ever made - it doesn't attenuate noise at all, and loud environments severely reduce the K1000's bass performance.

The K1000 is still one of my favorite headphones and one of the best I've heard - the design was brave and groundbreaking and it deserves its status as a reference headphone. That said, the K1000 simply wasn't for me and it's as simple as that, but I feel every serious head-fier should live with it for several months to find out for themselves.
post #8 of 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilPeart
Keep in mind ...
Ugh, I feel like selling the K1000 already ...

j/k and s/t/c (sorry for thread crapping =)
post #9 of 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilPeart
I feel they can never be truly resolved:

2. Soundstage: I actually prefer the soundstage that normal headphones provide (especially the R10 and HE90); the K1000 is very wide, but it lacks vertical placement and sounds actually sounded too distinct (which sounded unnatural to me) – this means the headphone lacks cohesion compared to others, IMO.

3. Treble: this can be too harsh and/or strident with the wrong equipment (some may prefer to sacrifice smoothness for detail - the T-amp achieves this); I prefer the K1000 with the RVK (with that amp there were no treble issues).
I don't find K1000 that wide but if you use the Benchmark DAC1, that's the kind of sound you get. I find the DAC1 is the thing which is not cohesive. So it is a synergy thing.

THe treble issue is common. That's why I don't recommend them or any other headphone with a lot of treble to somebody who's too sensitive in that regard. At any meet, I've never heard K1000 treble done right. So you can say it's not a beginner headphone in this regard or if you're lazy or don't have time or money to try various combos.
post #10 of 40
Weakness: It's not as good as the R10.

Strength: It's better than the RS1.
post #11 of 40
They are downright torture if you have a big head.
post #12 of 40
The pressure pads can be adjusted, via sliders, to be closer together, or further apart. Comfort is increased when they are spaced further apart. I slide them apart as far as possible, thereby eliminating pain and discomfort.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurt
They are downright torture if you have a big head.
post #13 of 40
I once tried a K1000 whose headband was stretched out wide permanently. I don't recall whos that was but they had a big head. It wouldn't stay on my head.
post #14 of 40
Apart from the fact that it destroyed my Metaxas Solitaire power amp (thanks to a wrongly switched adapter), comfort was the biggest issue for me. I felt like my head should be kept still like in a vise, otherwise they didn't keep the carefully adjusted position. They also showed me that I like a more compact and less airy characteristic better, just as from a conventional headphone; some of it may have to do with the lack of low bass though (the amp used was a BEL 1001). Apart fom this, it sounded like a bright version of the HD 650 to me, with a slightly bothering upper-midrange emphasis.

post #15 of 40
the two problems i have with them are both issues others have already mentioned:

1) Reqirement of a heavy-duty amplifier (and tube ime) to make them sing
2) Can be pretty picky in terms of what source you use (system matching is paramount)

now that i've found a source that mates well with them, the former is really my only issue (it wouldn't be in most cases, but as a student i end up shipping my whole setup across the country 4 times a year. the amplifier has already been damaged once and it costs nearly $50 to ship the 30lb beast). thus i'm on the lookout for a second full-sized headphone that sounds somewhat like the k1000 and doesn't need a huge amp (to run out of my mini-dac directly). failing that, i'll likely purchase a smaller, solid state amp for the k1000s (if i could get my hands on one of the SACs...).
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