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post #6526 of 23366
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Originally Posted by ludoo View Post
Wow! Could you make a step-by-step pictorial on how you made them for us noobs?
Sure, they are very easy to make actually. (a good thing, since I'm clumsy.) With in total five layers of leather, they are not extremely comfortable, but that's because they are leather only.

Step 1. Measure the size of the pads (these are 68 mm), and a nice diameter for the mid hole. I made it about 20 mm. Then make a template, and create 4 pieces of lambskin for each pad (or whatever thickness you want). For a 20mm mid hole, about 24 mm is needed on the template. Cut it all out, including the mid hole.

Step 2. Glue the two piles of leather together.

Step 3. Make an outer leather piece for each pad. (this is the only leather piece that has to look good, so select it with some care). That pad should be larger so that it can fold over the edge of the pile. I made i 100mm so that it also goes a bit down over the cup. Don't cut out the mid piece, instead make a very small hole so that you can make a few cuts later.

Step 4. Glue the big piece onto the other pieces. (with the nice looking side facing out.)

Step 5. Glue and fold the outer edge of the big piece over the pile of four pieces, be careful to fold on opposite sides at the same time, otherwise it won't look good later.



Step 6. Now, cut four or five slits in the leather from the middle of the big piece to the edge of the smaller pieces. Then fold that in and over the smaller pieces. (Now if you had cut out the hole in the big piece, you would have nothing to use to make the fold. And if you made the cuts earlier, they might not line up with any tiny mistakes in placing the big piece onto the small pieces)

Then it looks like one of the pictures I posted above.


My wife now thinks I'm completely nuts.

The HOK is still bass light, but it's not completely without bass. It extends down sufficiently for me, with some volume (not so much). It's (currently) lighter than the Grundig which is a bit lighter than the HD580 which is not the bassiest basshead can around. I'll soon compare the three more carefully, to see if the old orthos can win over the 580 in any respect. They make some music more enjoyable, but can't pinpoint why.

Right now, I'm considering whether maybe I should have left the HOK80 closed (it's now open-back). Maybe I'll have to close it and see if it changes in any way at all.
post #6527 of 23366
For some reason, I can't click though to the full sized pics. If I'm reading it right, you have 5 layers of leather. That seams to be almost enough for some headphones without any padding.

Edit: I just realized, I can click though on the previous post.
post #6528 of 23366
Sorry, small mistake with the images, fixed it now.

Yes it's five layers. It's a bit less comfortable for me because I often wear glasses. Without, they are a bit more comfortable and also seal better (I think, I'm not 100% sure). But the HOK frame also presses the pads quite hard to the head. The advantage is that they are quite thin, although more leather could make them more soft.
post #6529 of 23366
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Originally Posted by smeggy View Post
Ludo, Don, the Yams went out Yesterday and should be there soon.
Wow!
post #6530 of 23366
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Originally Posted by DefectiveAudioComponent View Post
My wife now thinks I'm completely nuts.

The HOK is still bass light, but it's not completely without bass. It extends down sufficiently for me, with some volume (not so much). It's (currently) lighter than the Grundig which is a bit lighter than the HD580 which is not the bassiest basshead can around. I'll soon compare the three more carefully, to see if the old orthos can win over the 580 in any respect. They make some music more enjoyable, but can't pinpoint why.
Being nuts is part of being an ortho-lover. There's no use escaping from it. Great job on the pads.

Hm, I suppose it's a matter of preference. I've listened to my friend's modded HD580 (HD600 grills, HD650 cable) and they're fairly bassy to me, and the bass isn't very detailed or textured, compared to any of my planars. I think what is making the music enjoyable is your jiving with the planar (ortho vs. electrostatic) sound presentation. Everything is more detailed without having to be obtrusive about it and clean as well. The tonality is also much better, once the frequency response is flattened. In other words, everything just sounds more... right, at least to me.
post #6531 of 23366
I may be spoiling your fun. The new Fostex T50RP is absolutely excellent. I have not enjoyed a headphone this much out of the box possibly ever. This one has great bass .... powerful, full, rich, very impactful .... yet not bloated or indistinct. The mids are the usual smooth, non-fatiguing but detailed Ortho mids. The treble has more life than any stock Ortho I have tried .... YH-1/ YH-2/ YH-3/ HP-3 .... and the overall frequency balance is better.

I have a modded and recabled YH-1 that dBel84 did a great job with and this one is every bit as good but has better bass. The modded headphone may have a slight bit more treble transparency as this one is becoming very slightly dark as the hours pile up; somewhat Senn 600 like vs Senn 650 like. But, that may be a subjective impression as the T50RP has much more bass quantity than the modded YH-1. Some may find the treble slightly recessed or soft sounding if you are used to the tipped of treble of some headphones like the Ultrasone. But, the treble is there just not shoved in your face.


Furthermore,, these are quite comfortable and the driver locking mechanism actually stays in place once you get the mechanism is set. I did spend a good amount of time experimenting before settling on a final position. I found wearing them somewhat loose will drop the bass a tad and any sibialnt material seems less so. I am very treble sensitive and I will mention again these headphones are very forgiving of my lesser recordings.

I am not a basshead and I often find large floorstanding speakers to have to much bass and generally prefer mini-monitors. But still, I dont think the T50RP has to much bass. So far, whenever I think there is to much bass I realize I am hearing more bass extension than I am used to hearing with my other headphones.

The headstage is larger than any of my Orthos and better than headphones like my Grados/ Alessandros. There is very good depth and images seem bigger top to bottom, although width is not especially wide. However, the overall effect is to create more of a 180 degree arc with no holes in the headstage and a very pleasant perspective of distance that is neither to upfront nor to laid back.

For the $62.90 I paid .... now $74 .... IMO this headphone is a screaming best buy if there ever was one.

See you, I am heading back downstairs.
post #6532 of 23366
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Originally Posted by smeggy View Post
That looks great DAC, nice work!
agreed - that looks great.

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Originally Posted by smeggy View Post
Ludo, Don, the Yams went out Yesterday and should be there soon.
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Originally Posted by ludoo View Post
Wow!
wow indeed - so looking forward to hearing these in relation to the standard version.

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Originally Posted by sacd lover View Post
I may be spoiling your fun. The new Fostex T50RP is absolutely excellent. For the $62.90 I paid .... now $74 .... IMO this headphone is a screaming best buy if there ever was one.

See you, I am heading back downstairs.
I guess we had all better stock up on these before the demand pushes the base price

This is very exciting news ..dB
post #6533 of 23366
Sounds to me like slapping on a disc of superfelt and maybe a small reflex dot should do the trick. I like when I don't have to think too hard.

Mine is coming sometime in the next few days. I can't wait.
post #6534 of 23366
Yeah, the new padded T50RP are good headphones indeed, even un-modded. When you tweak 'em they become very very good.
post #6535 of 23366
Don, don't expect too much. When Ludo said he'd recable and damp them I just left it as a basic thick pad config with a pair of dots on the drivers, so hardly tuned. Still, even as-is I prefer them to stock.

SACD: nice writeup, looks like I'm in for a real treat soon thanks to the exceeding generosity of fellow orthoheads Ludo and Kabeer.

Life in ortholand is good indeed.

Thanks guys
post #6536 of 23366
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by smeggy
Good pads are so rare, I'd love to get some specified and made myself.
Yes, and I can also see a need for less massive pads, mostly for dynamic type 'phones. The original T50 pads would've been perfect alternatives to the velour on the HD 600. They really were very high quality, just not the right kind of pad for our kind of isodynamic. But they'd be great alternapads for a bass-heavy dynamic.

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Originally Posted by smeggy
.......think 'weatherstrip'........
I think weatherstrip makes an excellent DIY pad, especially if it's nice dense closed-cell foam. Did you ever show us a photo of the box that weatherstrip comes in? And tell us again: what sort of glue do you use to butt-splice the ends together?



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Originally Posted by DefectiveAudioComponent View Post
As you also can see on the pictures below, there is a lot more leather (a few mm) than strictly needed to cover the pads. That's to stop bass from sneaking in between the cup and the pads.
Excellent work. If you don't mind, I may Photoshop and re-post some photos to show more detail in the dark areas. Looks like you've constructed the Canonical Ideal Ortho Earpad. And you're starting to show a healthy paranoia about bass backwave. That kind of paranoia always pays off.


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Originally Posted by smeggy
My next project, leather covered weatherstrip...
You know, that's actually a good idea. The more mass concentrated on the surfaces of the pad, the better.

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Originally Posted by smeggy
I also tracked down another set of woofeys...
Wow! Where'd you find it? Or did one our ninjanistas find it for you?

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Originally Posted by smeggy
Walt, they're on their way to you and should arrive before the weekend.
Yaaay! I mean, excellent. And thank you.


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Originally Posted by mypasswordis
Haha, they're so good at customer service. The automated lady said "We're too busy to do that right now." That's not even the proper way to say no one's bothered to pick up the phone.
Holy carp! That's hilarious and pathetic all at the same time! So much for hoping Fostex could help us. Thanks for sharing this; it will help harden us in our ultimate showdown with the outside world.


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Originally Posted by DefectiveAudioComponent
My wife now thinks I'm completely nuts.
Wives always think you're completely nuts long before you suspect that they think you're completely nuts. It's part of the power sharing arrangement written into the marriage EULA (did you read yours? thought so).


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Originally Posted by DefectiveAudioComponent
The HOK is still bass light, but it's not completely without bass. It extends down sufficiently for me...
Which is all that matters. The fact that you got some bass out of them without EQ is accomplishment enough for one lifetime.


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Originally Posted by DefectiveAudioComponent
Right now, I'm considering whether maybe I should have left the HOK80 closed (it's now open-back). Maybe I'll have to close it and see if it changes in any way at all.
With good earpads like yours (and a thin layer of felt on the inside of that screen in the HOK's back), I don't think you'll hear a difference. Any backwave blockage offered by that disc will be balanced by extra treble caused by reflections from it. But it's an easy experiment to try on the HOK, which is still the only Ortho Convertible I know of.


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Originally Posted by mypasswordis View Post
I've listened to my friend's modded HD580 (HD600 grills, HD650 cable) and they're fairly bassy to me, and the bass isn't very detailed or textured, compared to any of my planars. In other words, [with planars] everything just sounds more... right, at least to me.
Couldn't have put it better myself. I like my HD 600, it's very pleasing and it's comfortable. But up against a properly damped planar, you can hear the compromises. Not that planars are perfect. It's just that what one type of headphone does better can teach you what must be done when it comes time to design the other type. The learning goes both ways.


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Originally Posted by sacd lover View Post
I may be spoiling your fun. The new Fostex T50RP is absolutely excellent.
Fear not. You are in fact adding to our fun! There's a lot of good things in the current Fostex line-- good magnets, good diaphragm voice coil design... Fostex just didn't seem to care to make them sound like we want headphones to sound until recently, and they didn't phone any of us to let us know they'd made a change (see customer service story above).

The bass won't be as deep as with some of the more capable older iso/orthos, but it will satisfy, and the treble is all there, if a little buried, in stock form. The thing to remember is, this headphone can be made significantly better with very little effort. But no one will blame you for enjoying them as they are now. Sometimes it's good to quit when you're ahead.

Just as the treble is buried in the stock T50RPv2, the modded YH-1's bass is also buried. It's there, just crank up the bass below 150--200Hz a little. Or a lot. It can take it.




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Originally Posted by mypasswordis View Post
Sounds to me like slapping on a disc of superfelt and maybe a small reflex dot [on the T50RPv2] should do the trick. I like when I don't have to think too hard.
Yup. My sentiments exactly.


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Originally Posted by dBel84
I guess we had all better stock up on these before the demand pushes the base price..
Hee hee. Thanks goodness, this is the one time that won't happen. This headphone surely isn't perfect, but it's the perfect answer for anyone who is thoroughly sick to death of online auctions.

Smeggy! did Kabeer and Ludo club together and get you a T50RPv2? Ah, such a beautiful thing, Team Ortho, that has such peoples in it. By the way, my offer of a T50RP chassis still stands. Might come in handy for experimental control or parts mule.
post #6537 of 23366
My! My lust for the T50RP has grown even stronger still... I swear, I don't think I can contain myself any longer... MUST HAVE.
post #6538 of 23366
Walt,
Yes, they just sent an email out of the blue with an order/invoice! Is that cool or what! Team ortho is the best.

The weatherstrip is from the standard line Lowes stocks in varying sizes. I slice the ends at a 45deg angle and contact cement the ends together so the glue doesn't affect compression. I cut it, glue the ends and when it's dry I twist it 90deg so the sticky side is facing down and it forms a nice donut.

The Woofeys, I put an online want ad in a UK classifieds and have ad two replies of offers, one in London and one in Spain.

I decided that a good old fashioned proactive want ad was easier than constant scouring, more successful too. It's nice when results find you

If you want to send your T50RP as a control group I won't complain hehe
post #6539 of 23366
Thread Starter 
Here's that slightly clearer look at DAC's handiwork:



post #6540 of 23366
I got my silly 80's Sony amp (Sony TA-V7) and it drives TK33 box as well as all my orthos without any issues and manages to sound good and look TRON like doing it. Yay for old dusty amps.





Cute, ain't it?

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