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post #376 of 18827
What are you trying to do with QP85??

Gear mentioned in this thread:

Yamaha Stereo Headphones
Fostex T50RP Closed Ear Stereo Headphones
post #377 of 18827
Nothing yet.
post #378 of 18827

The awful truth

There's a buzz in the left channel of my maior T50 at a certain frequency and volume. It's unmistakable.

I've investigated inside the driver, and what i've found is that there's a ripple in the membrane. if i push down on it, it makes a light popping sound.

Maybe these spent too much time in a hot attic, it's impossible to really tell what went down.

I think i need some Team Ortho help to decide how to fix it.

What immediately comes to mind is the possibility of taking the membrane out completely, laying it on a flat surface, and gently warming it with a hair dryer or heat gun until it lays flat.

Or maybe sandwiching it between a few layers of paper and running over it with a relatively cool iron.

Any thoughts?
post #379 of 18827
wualta as always you've tossed some great ideas out there. I love the reflex dot idea. By changing the size of the dot one could easily tune the phone to his or her flavor. I feel like I have some new tricks to use once the donuts come home. You're a pioneer my friend.

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Originally Posted by Inkmo View Post
Are these gonna be your Orth Beyers or something?
I was thinking of all those combo names until I decided on the flared port, then the phones pretty much named themselves.

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Originally Posted by khbaur330162 View Post
Painting the plastic trim the color that you did was a good idea. It matches both the wood you used and your modded K340's very well.
Can you tell I'm fond of Brown? I wanted a family resemblance to the K340, even though they're very distant cousins.

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Originally Posted by philodox View Post
OH MY GOD!
Articulate as always.

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LOL, if Steve ever figures out how to do a full wood conversion for the K340 I would be the first to finance such a venture.
I tore the K340 down to look at it while in the process of making the donuts (sounds like a Dunkin Donut commercial), and I think I've got it figured out. Without some serious machinery to mill a new cap/swivel joint the AKG band mechanism may have to go away in favor of a Beyer or other system. I could use the stock one, but why spend so much time making wood cups just to cover a good portion with plastic? I may try this sometime soon. It will take some patience though.

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Originally Posted by Duggeh View Post
Steve you have transcended coolness and now occupy the aethersphere of the awesome.
A comment like that coming from one of the coolest Head-Fiers I know is high praise indeed my Scottish Brother! We need to collaborate on a project sometime.
post #380 of 18827
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Articulate as always.
What can I say? You left me speechless.
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Originally Posted by swt61 View Post
I tore the K340 down to look at it while in the process of making the donuts (sounds like a Dunkin Donut commercial), and I think I've got it figured out. Without some serious machinery to mill a new cap/swivel joint the AKG band mechanism may have to go away in favor of a Beyer or other system. I could use the stock one, but why spend so much time making wood cups just to cover a good portion with plastic? I may try this sometime soon. It will take some patience though.
Cool. I may bug you about this sometime soon.

I think that you should try to keep it in the K340 style though. Transplanting them into a Beyer shell would be blasphemy.
post #381 of 18827
Thread Starter 

Thoughts On the T40

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Originally Posted by philodox
What can I say?
You should always say something like GIMME THOSE!

That smoothly faired "port" would be right at home on a bandpass woofer box. No aerodynamic problems there.

I was trying to think back about the T40 and why it and the T20 sounded so similar but modded so differently. It occurred to me that the T40's damping film was obviously glued only in the center and that the rest of the film was slightly loose. This may not be the way they came from the factory. If the film was stretched tight when the driver was assembled but an earlier owner did some poking around... you get the idea. So if you get a T40v1 and it sounds just spiffing the way it is, with way extended highs and a 'stat-style rise at the very top (the term among the cognoscenti is "treble flamboyance") despite the influence of the rings, then my T40 is atypical. If, on the other hand, people report their T40s to be a little rolled off on top, decent bass, a bit midrangey, not very exciting, then what I've posted above is reliable. T40 owners, let me know.

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post #382 of 18827
Yeah, that's basically how i remember my unmodded T40. I'll have to take the icky floor felt out of it to verify, though.
post #383 of 18827
yeah, same here.
post #384 of 18827
Thread Starter 

Damped T40 Efficiency Benchmark

Thanks, guys. It's always tempting to judge a 'phone based on one sample, but it's a dangerous game.

When I say "damped" in relation to my T40, I mean that the foam I added is pushing the existing factory damping disc firmly against the driver, effectively gluing it down. I'm working on the assumption that this is what's responsible for the change I hear, the foam itself adding only a very slight amount of damping.

Testing with a co-worker's 4th-gen iPod shows the damped T40v1 can play reasonably loud with bass boost on, but the volume has to be twirled up to somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 full. That should give the with-it crowd a handle on the kind of efficiency the T40 offers. The damped/reflexed T20v2 would of course be quite a bit easier on the battery.

Eric, does the itchy floor felt press on the damping film, holding it down? Did you get more or less the same results I did?
post #385 of 18827
Well, the yucky floor felt is about 3/8" thick, but low density.

I *believe that this would mean that the ball socket will press it against the damping film. I ought to stick a piece of paper behind the felt, close up the cup, and open it again - if the paper gets creased to heck, maybe my theory is true.

I think essentially the same results as you have, maybe not as dramatic. I haven't peeled off the little ducts on the front yet.
post #386 of 18827
And I got outbidded on the Monsoon too...............

This Ortho/Planar thing is going nowhere for me

Or maybe I am just too cheap.............
post #387 of 18827
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ericj
I *believe that this would mean that the ball socket will press it against the damping film.
If you got the same result I did, more or less, then yes. The differing firmness with which different owners press down the T40's damping film will inevitably give slightly different results.

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Originally Posted by ericj
I haven't peeled off the little ducts on the front yet.
Oh, but you must! Join us, be not afeared.

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Originally Posted by AudioCats
And I got outbidded on the Monsoon too.....
You didn't want those 500s anyway, but you certainly tried. There's a couple of the 700/702 panels with no stands or woofer up now plus another 500 if you really insist. Don't forget to include the successor company Level 9 in your searches. Those models are all PlanarMedia plus a number, like 7 or 9 or 14. Gird yourself for e-battle, lad.

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post #388 of 18827

Yamaha YHD2

I was going crazy trying to think of the name of my old Yamaha headphones I had in the 80s, thanks to this thread I finally found out. Last week I saw a pair of YHD2s on eBay, last night I won them.
I'm still waiting for a confirmation of the shipping price, they are supposed to be un-used, I can't wait to see.
Once I get them and assess the foam and how much it's degraded, I'm going to need some advice on how to restore it.
These probably won't sound as great as I once thought they did, I'm sure my 325is will put them to shame, but those Yamahas were a big part of my life for about 5 years. I recall that the cord began to fray at the jack end so an electronics friend replaced it with a new one from Radio Shack.
Good old Radio Shack, new jack would only give me stereo if it was held part way out of the plug! (The had such great quality control back then) I eventually re-soldered the old plug back on with some shrink wrap but it didn't last that long.
Ah, the good old days when I was satisfied with a Sony Walkman with Dolby B, FM Radio, and a water resistant case! COOL!
post #389 of 18827
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by doxaman
Last week I saw a pair of YHD2s on eBay, last night I won them.
Ah, congratulations. Always glad to keep interesting headphones in the Head-Fi family.

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Originally Posted by doxaman
Once I get them and assess the foam and how much it's degraded, I'm going to need some advice on how to restore it.
Having never seen a YHD in new condition, I don't have any advice except to say that one of the replacement earpads from, yes, Radio Shack, might work to tuck under the cloth "earpad" cover. That, as far as I can tell, is the only place where there was foam.


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Originally Posted by doxaman
These probably won't sound as great as I once thought they did...
If you've read the early pages of this thread you'll know that I believe Yamaha took wonderful drivers and with mostly good intentions messed them up. So you're correct-- you won't think the YHD-2 sounds very good as-is. It'll be bassy and dull sounding. You can help it by putting a thin but dense felt disc behind the driver to control the bloaty bass, but it's just not the optimum headset for that driver. Now, transplant a KSC-75 driver into it... and put the YHD-2 into a conventional fosterfone, or do what swt61 did, and zango, you'd really have something.

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post #390 of 18827

YHD2s

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Originally Posted by wualta View Post
Ah, congratulations. Always glad to keep interesting heaphones in the Head-Fi family.


Having never seen a YHD in new condition, I don't have any advice except to say that one of the replacement earpads from, yes, Radio Shack, might work to tuck under the cloth "earpad" cover, and that, as far as I can tell, is the only place where there was foam.



If you've read the second page of this thread you'll know that I believe Yamaha took a wonderful driver and with very good intentions messed it up. So unless I have an atypical YHD-2, you're correct-- you won't think the YHD-2 sounds very good as-is. You can help it by putting a felt disc backed by a foil disc (for appearances' sake-- you could just as easily use paper or plastic film) behind the driver to control the backwave as well as it can be in a totally-open design, but it's just not the right headset for that kind of driver. Now, transplant a KSC-75 driver into it... and put the YHD-2 into a conventional fosterfone, or do what swt61 did, and zango, you'd really have something.
Sounds interesting, I'm not sure I want to attempt a whole Franken project (I haven't used a soldering gun in years!) But if I'm lucky I'll be able to get these running nicely and use them on those days where I just dont' feel like IEMs. With all the traffic noise on my walk home I won't be hearing anything subtle at all, I used to use cheap phones that came with an old Kenwood CD-player, they didn't sound very good, but they got the job done!
The only thing I ever hated about the YHD was the extra cord length, I was always dealing with elastics & twist-ties!
Once I get them I'll be re-reading this thread again
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