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post #2776 of 19957
Good, I put the solder tab in the back. Where would I apply the tak, around the rim of the driver?

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post #2777 of 19957
On my ATH-2, super felt smoothed the bass out more. I haven't decided which I prefer. I try super felt on my Yamaha. They sounded great with the craft felt.
post #2778 of 19957
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Good, I put the solder tab in the back. Where would I apply the tak, around the rim of the driver?
Yeah, on the outer edge, between the driver and the baffle.
post #2779 of 19957
Oh, and I'd like to congratulate whoever bought that HP-50A off ebay.co.uk. Good show. You'll need to recable them to get stereo sound out of them, and you'll need some extra-dense felt to tame the bassy little driver in them.
post #2780 of 19957
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It would seem that they're a tad harder to drive now, or I'm just listening to them too loud.
The damping procedure, being resistive, does burn up some of the acoustic energy output, making the drivers noticeably less efficient. You may have reached the point of intolerable clipping on your amp.

Ericj is of course correct on the correct orientation of the YH-1 drivers. Smooth side out. And use just the slightest amount of blu-tack to make the baffle seal. You don't want to recess the driver into the cup.

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Now I went with the normal felt, what will super felt change about how these sound? Improvements I'd desire would be even more impact and greater treble extension.
Super felt will, on the YH-1, take away the bass (it'll be there, just at a lower level) and put a bubble (though some would say blister) in the treble. Slight overdamping will give a listenable 'phone that appears to lack bass, but the payoff is incredibly acute transient response. You could electronically EQ back out to a flat response if your religion allows EQ, but chances are you wouldn't like an overdamped 'phone-- it's like living with an obsessive perfectionist.

Always damp to get a more or less flat response through the bass and midrange, then tweak the extremes. Try a reflex dot directly on the back magnet to prop up the high treble. To add just a smidge of extra damping and a slight treble boost, try a reflex disc behind the felt disc. Material not at all critical as long as it's not air-permeable.

Got photos yet?
post #2781 of 19957
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Yeah, on the outer edge, between the driver and the baffle.
And this does what, improves bass response?
post #2782 of 19957
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Oh, and I'd like to congratulate whoever bought that HP-50A off ebay.co.uk. Good show. You'll need to recable them to get stereo sound out of them, and you'll need some extra-dense felt to tame the bassy little driver in them.
Grrrrrr, I was monitoring it, then a friend IMed me on a project we are working on, and puffff.... auction gone... Third time in a week, after a K145 and a Nad RP20, I am going to put an alarm clock on my phone for auctions from now on ("yeah, yeah, you said the same thing last week, and the week before that").

Edit: of course, it probably means that a fellow "orthocticist" has got them, which is a good thing for the cause, and especially for him. I was momentarily blinded by lust.
post #2783 of 19957
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Super felt will, on the YH-1, take away the bass (it'll be there, just at a lower level) and put a bubble (though some would say blister) in the treble. Slight overdamping will give a listenable 'phone that appears to lack bass, but the payoff is incredibly acute transient response. You could electronically EQ back out to a flat response if your religion allows EQ, but chances are you wouldn't like an overdamped 'phone-- it's like living with an obsessive perfectionist.
That does sound undesireable, the bass sounds very right as is.

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Try a reflex dot directly on the back magnet to prop up the high treble.
This is tape on the back right? Should it just be a bit in the center or covering the whole of the back?

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To add just a smidge of extra damping and a slight treble boost, try a reflex disc behind the felt disc.
I belive you already advised me on doing this! It goes felt, paper, foam (or was it foam, paper), felt. The last felt being a reflex disc... I think?!

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Got photos yet?
The NAD hasn't arrived yet if that's what you mean. Unless you wanted pictures of my crudely cut dampening materials
post #2784 of 19957
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Yeah, on the outer edge, between the driver and the baffle.
Like he said. The outer edge of the face of the magnet that points at your ear. We're just making damn sure no bass backwave can sneak into the earcup and shortcircuit your hard-won bass. This is the same sort of gasketing speaker manufacturers do, and for the same reason.

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Oh, and I'd like to congratulate whoever bought that HP-50A off ebay.co.uk. Good show. You'll need to recable them to get stereo sound out of them, and you'll need some extra-dense felt to tame the bassy little driver in them.
Not a known HFer? Maybe he/she will make him/herself known to us when the 50A arrives at its new home in the UK. Eric, what's your "final" take on the HP-50/HP-3/YH-3? Is it really a poor man's YH-100, or just an intractable little bastard?


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post #2785 of 19957
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Grrrrrr, I was monitoring it, then a friend IMed me on a project we are working on, and puffff.... auction gone... Third time in a week, after a K145 and a Nad RP20, I am going to put an alarm clock on my phone for auctions from now on ("yeah, yeah, you said the same thing last week, and the week before that").
You can use a sniping web service.
post #2786 of 19957
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You can use a sniping web service.
Then I will be inundated by phones successfully bought on ebay.

Lust aside, I am fatalistic in these things: if I missed it it was not for me, or I wan't interested enough. And one thing I learned in these months of head-fi madness, is that most phones surface from time to time, and you almost always get a second chance. Plus, I have a bad case of the NIH syndrome, and would never use a sniping service I have not developed myself...
post #2787 of 19957
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That does sound undesireable, the bass sounds very right as is.
You may change your mind about that later and decide that more damping is called for, so keep listening and letting your ears educate themselves.


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This is tape on the back right? Should it just be a bit in the center or covering the whole of the back?
Just a bit, but not in the center-- the diaphragm is pinched or contrained in the center and doesn't move. Offset it so that it's near the top of the magnet in wearing position. I started with a 19mm circle because that's what I had on hand. Not a bad size to start with. I wouldn't go larger than that, though. If after the dotting you feel the need for more treble, chances are you're still underdamped. This is not set in stone, just a good starting point. Don't be afraid to experiment!

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It goes felt, paper, foam, felt. The last felt being a reflex disc... I think?!
In that sandwich, the paper is the reflex disc. It's the same size as the felt damping disc, which is the same size as the magnet. It makes the damping disc damp a little harder by making the air turn sideways and emerge from the edges of the felt disc, and it also reflects a small amount of treble and midrange. Try the reflex disc before you go for the dot.


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Unless you wanted pictures of my crudely cut dampening materials
That's precisely what we want. Happily, neatness doesn't count here, as long as all the holes are covered, the felt is pressed firmly against the magnet, and the screw threads aren't stripped.

What we're doing is is not too unlike plumbing, except with air. We're plugging leaks, making sure the air goes only where we want it do, and flows in a controlled, not chaotic, manner. We also want to maintain pressure (= bass) in the earcup. Nothing magical about any of it, just basic stuff.


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post #2788 of 19957
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Not a known HFer? Maybe he/she will make him/herself known to us when the 50A arrives at its new home in the UK. Eric, what's your "final" take on the HP-50? Is it really a poor man's YH-100, or just an intractable little bastard?

My YH-3 is surely a poor-man's YH-100. I'm not certain that my damping is the best it can be, but i'm certain of the potential.

I really do need to take it apart again and take pictures . . .
post #2789 of 19957
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That's precisely what we want. Happily, neatness doesn't count here, as long as all the holes are covered, the felt is pressed firmly against the magnet, and the screw threads aren't stripped.
I think I nailed all those except the last one. Every screw I took out had a split from about halfway down to the end. I'm surprised they still work actually.

I was going to take a bunch of pictures but I got distracted. There's only this one with the dampening stuffs: eric felt, window sealant, and a birthday card. I think I ended up halving the foam because I couldn't make it fit.



I'm either holding them upside down or I put them in that way, does foam/paper paper/foam make a difference?
post #2790 of 19957
Yeah, it's hard to find thin foam rubber sheets of sufficient density.

The only for-sure source of sub-half-inch open-cell foam i know of is the little clamshell boxes that Analog Devices ships out sample chips in. about 3/16" thick and *pink. but it serves a purpose in these little clamshell boxes . . . . unless you used the chips already i guess.

Edit: Well, that and mcmaster-carr. but mcmaster is never cheap.
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