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post #21631 of 23649
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Originally Posted by vid View Post

 

But I don't understand your reasoning. Is it to say that trying to come up with new methods of improvement for these phones is bad? Maybe you're being very conservative; a feltist, if you will?

 

Convolution certainly stands as a useful means to improve the sound for anyone's purposes. Think perfect channel balance without asymmetric modding, though even then you're limiting yourself to a very modest use of the technique.

 

for anyone's purposes that include a full blown computer as a source. 

 

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Originally Posted by JamesHuntington View Post

I got the best results with my stock yh-100 through a headphone jack on a 1994 JVC cd player: xl106... can't remember the exact model. Though I think you're smoking crack on most of this sentence, because people listen for different ranges of music and it's stupid for a headphone to try to please everyone. My opinion is that I was getting a very realistic sound from them, especially from piano and classical music. I also felt that they sound like a 3-way speaker in the way that they handle multiple sounds at once, versus some others that sounded like a 2-way at best. Maybe my pair was optimal to yours, or maybe you were getting too technical for them with $2k amps and DACs. I agree that they are not perfect, but they are special compared to other stuff in their price range. Don't feel sorry for me and my simple ways, because I won't feel sorry for you and your snobbish opinion.

 

In general i do build amps but I only have the one dac, and i've only had it a year or so. Every stock yh-100 i've heard sounds sort of weirdly muffled and honky. I'm not the only person who's had that reaction. 

 

your 2-way vs 3-way analogy is weird. some of the best speaker systems are 1-way. 

post #21632 of 23649
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Originally Posted by ericj View Post

 

for anyone's purposes that include a full blown computer as a source. 

 

 

In general i do build amps but I only have the one dac, and i've only had it a year or so. Every stock yh-100 i've heard sounds sort of weirdly muffled and honky. I'm not the only person who's had that reaction. 

 

your 2-way vs 3-way analogy is weird. some of the best speaker systems are 1-way. 


Weirdly muffled and honky isn't a weird analogy? Maybe you should try different amps with them before you put them in the broken am radio category. There is a protective reason for the materials in the YH that may muffle the sound a little, but protect the inside from dust that would damage them.

Some of the best speaker systems I hear are 2-way, but not many companies can mass produce crossovers correctly.  

You act like some kind of headphone jesus. Well you can stop thinking you turn water into wine, because you can't. With every mod there is a loss somewhere in the frequency range. Not all mods are bad, but you can't fool everybody either. Every brain responds differently to different frequency ranges. You tune for you, etc. I claim that the yh100 is realistic, but to a point. It's all about the price range. When it comes to realism, I don't believe most dynamic headphones can touch them at their price range.     

post #21633 of 23649
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Originally Posted by JamesHuntington View Post

Every brain responds differently to different frequency ranges. You tune for you, etc. 

This is the key to not getting carried away on head-fi with peoples recomendations for fotm, the most important thing to take away.

post #21634 of 23649

A YH100 is indeed one of the worst stock orthos I have heard, it is horribly underdamped. It still has that beautiful Yamaha mid-range so some people may choose to like it for that reason alone but in the stock form it nowhere even close to its actual potential.

 

Infact, most Yamaha orthos are pretty bad wrt stock driver damping. The HP/YH-1 is probably the best of lot in this regard and sounds okayish in the stock form which is probably the reason that it is well liked among people who aren't keen on modding.And even that would improve considerably by the simple damping mods outlined in this thread countless times.

post #21635 of 23649
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Originally Posted by ericj View Post

 

for anyone's purposes that include a full blown computer as a source. 

 

I see. A minority view dictated as a ubiquitous absolute in that you can't convolve on a source that doesn't have a convolver. You don't contribute much to the improvement of this thread with pap like that.

post #21636 of 23649

Hutnicks:

 

Figured i would pull the discussion over here about the pads, a bit more relevant if it is here.

 

As far as the AKG 141 ( and 142? ) series here is a picture and close measurements.

The newer replacements ( ones shown are vintage ) have the plastic ring backing  for fast swapping, but nothing double sided tape won't cope with.

 

Fairly sure they have a velour version.

Ones in the pics here are stripped of the original pleather coating, still somewhat odd tacky feeling though so not in use except as a template for making leather ones.

So we are looking at

  • 3.5 inches across (~90 mm )
  • 1 1/4 inches inner opening ( ~ 32 mm )
  • 7/16 inches high ( ~ 11 mm )though with the new plastic ring back who can say on that.

 

 

 

 

 

Never really bothered with velour pads myself, what is it about the results you like other than possibly comfort?

 

Vid:

 

I managed to finally wrangle up the bass on the HOK 80 V1 with some particular materials. Definitely nothing like the wiki descriptions. Simply a gorgeous sound to these they have been my go-to portables lately. Gave me some goosebumps the other night even.

Yeah not ashamed to admit that redface.gif


Edited by nick n - 5/19/13 at 3:27pm
post #21637 of 23649
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Originally Posted by vid View Post

 

I see. A minority view dictated as a ubiquitous absolute in that you can't convolve on a source that doesn't have a convolver. You don't contribute much to the improvement of this thread with pap like that.

 

By jesus that almost sounds like a challenge to throw a couple of roms in an amp and make a damn convolver.

 

Oh wait we have androd devices that we could code on up for.

 

OOPS do they qualify as a full blown computer?

post #21638 of 23649
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Originally Posted by nick n View Post

Hutnicks:

 

Figured i would pull the discussion over here about the pads, a bit more relevant if it is here.

 

As far as the AKG 141 ( and 142? ) series here is a picture and close measurements.

The newer replacements ( ones shown are vintage ) have the plastic ring backing  for fast swapping, but nothing double sided tape won't cope with.

 

Fairly sure they have a velour version.

Ones in the pics here are stripped of the original pleather coating, still somewhat odd tacky feeling though so not in use except as a template for making leather ones.

So we are looking at

  • 3.5 inches across (~90 mm )
  • 1 1/4 inches inner opening ( ~ 32 mm )
  • 7/16 inches high ( ~ 11 mm )though with the new plastic ring back who can say on that.

 

 

 

 

 

Never really bothered with velour pads myself, what is it about the results you like other than possibly comfort?

 

Vid:

 

I managed to finally wrangle up the bass on the HOK 80 V1 with some particular materials. Definitely nothing like the wiki descriptions. Simply a gorgeous sound to these they have been my go-to portables lately. Gave me some goosebumps the other night even.

Yeah not ashamed to admit that redface.gif

 

I find with velour I get most of the properties I like with foam yet with less of the hassle. Its a comfort/ sweaty ears thing too I suppose. However velour can absorb a lot of errant reflections coming from a baffle (V6 is a prime example) on the downside it can slay some phones by muffling them too much (HD400). For the very ill behaved you can impregnate the velour with silicon to change its damping properties.

 

Bear in mind that my workflow for any headphone is "see what you can do with the pads first"

 

Your experience with the HOK sounds like what I am going through with the YH3's once I went circumaural with them. Amped up they just suck me in to the soundfield and it feels like I've always been there.

post #21639 of 23649
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Originally Posted by Hutnicks View PostFor the very ill behaved you can impregnate the velour with silicon to change its damping properties.

 

Bear in mind that my workflow for any headphone is "see what you can do with the pads first"

 

Your experience with the HOK sounds like what I am going through with the YH3's once I went circumaural with them. Amped up they just suck me in to the soundfield and it feels like I've always been there.

impregnate with silicone? How so? 

Wondering if you have tried the HIFI Man series of velours, they have an underlay of pleather underneath the fuzz, but not sure if thats just the opening walls. Seem cheap enough.

 

 

I swear pads are one of the most important things to look at.  in my top 2 or possibly 3 things

 

I like that description beerchug.gif

post #21640 of 23649
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Originally Posted by nick n View Post

impregnate with silicone? How so? 

Wondering if you have tried the HIFI Man series of velours, they have an underlay of pleather underneath the fuzz, but not sure if thats just the opening walls. Seem cheap enough.

 

 

I swear pads are one of the most important things to look at.  in my top 2 or possibly 3 things

 

I like that description beerchug.gif


Usually the inner rim start with a thin bead around the bottom and work it in with an ice cube. If you are making your own pads you can do this from the inside which gives the consistency of a pleather  with the soft exterior of a velour.

 

Have not tried the hifimans................yet:)

 

Funny how the new to the audio world iem guys obsess over fit while the over ear guys still think one size and shape fits all. If anyone ever comes out with a true "Fit Kit" they will become very wealthy.

post #21641 of 23649
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Originally Posted by nick n View Post

I managed to finally wrangle up the bass on the HOK 80 V1 with some particular materials. Definitely nothing like the wiki descriptions. Simply a gorgeous sound to these they have been my go-to portables lately. Gave me some goosebumps the other night even.

Yeah not ashamed to admit that redface.gif

 

How'd you manage that?

post #21642 of 23649

sending you a PM Vid

post #21643 of 23649

Tried some stuff on the HOK since nick is getting good results with his moddings on them.

 

I previously did exhaustive modding on the back of the driver but to minor effect. This time I found out that while no amount of thick acrylic felt at the front of the driver could do much to the sound either, cotton at least had some interesting consequences there.

 

 

The measurements were taken without the artificial ear, so I wouldn't trust them of absolute accuracy above 2 kHz.

 

The first line from the top is the HOK with its more or less stock response. Second line is with a very thick disc of cotton wool attached to the front of the driver by running a thin thread several times around the driver in a tight criss-cross pattern. Although energy increased around 4 kHz, the peaky upper treble was reduced and the bass response smoothed out, gaining about 5 dB in the lower regions. It was then simple to reductively EQ this smoother response so the bass evened out, which is indicated by the blue line that's the same as the black one but with a very quickly-done EQ in that vein applied.

 

Not an optimal mod, but I'm sure with some effort even simple materials like these can restore more of the bass that's missing stock.

 

 

First CSD plot is of the first response, second of the third.

post #21644 of 23649

cool! thanks for posting that.

post #21645 of 23649

TWARON Angel Hair, huh? tongue.gif

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