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post #21556 of 23474
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Took one listen to the HP-50S and K 701 by way of direct comparison and it was enough. The K 701 gave me a tinny, sizzly treble slap right across the face while the HP-50S served wonderful neutrality and coherence, and if anything more detail than the 701. Shame about the soundstage.

Quite an impressive (almost unbelievable) feat that you got an HP-50S to sound better than AKG's top dynamic. 

post #21557 of 23474

The HP-50 are better technically so it's hardly a miracle that they can sound better.

post #21558 of 23474
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The HP-50 are better technically so it's hardly a miracle that they can sound better.

Id say it is considering the HP-50 is almost 40 years old, was designed for use with an organ, and that the K701 is the closest thing AKG has to a flagship.


Edited by takato14 - 5/10/13 at 7:45pm
post #21559 of 23474

Seriously, guy, that attitude is getting old. I've got the phones in my hand, then on my head, and I find one of them better. I've taken the effort to do measurements to show that this finding may well be the case and not my imagination.

 

The response seems to be denial fueled by some sort of empty prejudice, which is less than inspiring.

post #21560 of 23474
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post

Quite an impressive (almost unbelievable) feat that you got an HP-50S to sound better than AKG's top dynamic. 

Something tells me you do not get the context of the thread you are posting in . The HP50 are that good , and they are not the only aging ortho that can outperform some of the modern top dogs .

..dB
post #21561 of 23474

The HP50 eats flagships for breakfast! biggrin.gif

post #21562 of 23474
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Something tells me you do not get the context of the thread you are posting in . The HP50 are that good , and they are not the only aging ortho that can outperform some of the modern top dogs .

..dB


Top dogs or mad dogsph34r.gif

post #21563 of 23474

I'm sorry if I missed it, but was there a list of the mods (if any) done to the HP50 in question? Or is this a stock HP50?

post #21564 of 23474

Disc of thick dual-layered nylon and the stock foam at the back, disc of knit wool between the driver and baffle, driver blu-tacked to the baffle along its outside edge rather than its front face, and a convolution fix to get a perfect channel balance without having to do asymmetric mods.

 

But it's not so much about which mods were done than how they were chosen. I worked on the phones for six months before I started getting pleased about the sound; and along the way I accumulated about 250 frequency response measurements to help figure out in depth the strengths and flaws of each modding scheme on this particular pair and to make sure I was always modding them towards a better outcome on all sides.

post #21565 of 23474
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post

Quite an impressive (almost unbelievable) feat that you got an HP-50S to sound better than AKG's top dynamic. 


Well, we're all delusional and cheap...Hell, as much as I don't like the sound of dynamic phones, I'm still using CRT's as I cannot stand the PQ of LCD screens triportsad.gif


Edited by leeperry - 5/11/13 at 9:00am
post #21566 of 23474
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Originally Posted by vid View Post

Seriously, guy, that attitude is getting old. I've got the phones in my hand, then on my head, and I find one of them better. I've taken the effort to do measurements to show that this finding may well be the case and not my imagination.

 

The response seems to be denial fueled by some sort of empty prejudice, which is less than inspiring.

... I was complementing your work, not criticizing your judgement.

 

I saw the graphs and almost immediately showed them to my friend, since he seems to think orthos are inherently flawed and can't compete with the other headphone techs. He was basically speechless. 


Edited by takato14 - 5/11/13 at 12:18pm
post #21567 of 23474
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... I was complementing your work, not criticizing your judgement.

 

I saw the graphs and almost immediately showed them to my friend, since he seems to think orthos are inherently flawed and can't compete with the other headphone techs. He was basically speechless. 

You shouldn't have changed his opinion wink.gif

Makes cheaper prices for us!

post #21568 of 23474
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Originally Posted by vid View Post

Disc of thick dual-layered nylon and the stock foam at the back, disc of knit wool between the driver and baffle, driver blu-tacked to the baffle along its outside edge rather than its front face, and a convolution fix to get a perfect channel balance without having to do asymmetric mods.

 

But it's not so much about which mods were done than how they were chosen. I worked on the phones for six months before I started getting pleased about the sound; and along the way I accumulated about 250 frequency response measurements to help figure out in depth the strengths and flaws of each modding scheme on this particular pair and to make sure I was always modding them towards a better outcome on all sides.


Just for the record. the 50's are basically a version of the YH-3 converted to mono, are they not? So really once they are recabelled for stereo the same mods should apply for the YH-3.

post #21569 of 23474

Noob Ortho-Head, here....

 

Just starting on this Ortho Adventure via a recently scored set of Yamaha HP-1's.  All stock except for the newly fashioned headband.  Original was cracked and disintegrating...  

 

HP-1

post #21570 of 23474
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Originally Posted by potterma View Post

Noob Ortho-Head, here....

 

Just starting on this Ortho Adventure via a recently scored set of Yamaha HP-1's.  All stock except for the newly fashioned headband.  Original was cracked and disintegrating...  

 

HP-1


You sir, are in for a treat. The headbands seem to be the weak point in the Yamaha ortho fleet.

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