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post #21496 of 22854
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Originally Posted by Hutnicks View Post

 

I'd lose the original skins, unless you're nostalgic. A little breathing goes a long way with the circumaural solution here. Only drawback I have found is it makes a power pig even more hungry.

 

Now for phase 2, I highly recommend trying out RPGWIZARDS dolby headphone config for Foobar. He (I think) has done excellent work with this scenario and it would seem almost tailored for the "flat" orthos.

Not really for nostalgia or anything, the donuts can wrap around the baffle but there's nothing holding it. The original pads help keep them in place with the extra material thickness i.e. friction.

The end result: angled drivers.

Also don't want my ears resting directly on the baffle.

 

Phase 2, I've tried it (or something similar) and I have mixed feelings about it sometimes. I do use it occasionally, without a doubt.

post #21497 of 22854
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post

BTW, any yamie head ever heard the DT48? Everyone raves about its mids, are they seriously yamie-worthy? I read pretty much the same raving about the CD900ST and its 40mm drivers weren't quite up to the hype to my ears

 

On a related note, the vintage AKG K 241 have relatively similar mids as my HP-50. Not as smooth, but not too far off. And on the other hand, the Senn Unipolar 2000 have notably better mids than the Yama.

post #21498 of 22854
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Originally Posted by kalbee View Post

Not really for nostalgia or anything, the donuts can wrap around the baffle but there's nothing holding it. The original pads help keep them in place with the extra material thickness i.e. friction.

The end result: angled drivers.

Also don't want my ears resting directly on the baffle.

 

Phase 2, I've tried it (or something similar) and I have mixed feelings about it sometimes. I do use it occasionally, without a doubt.

 

I have just about every software solution imaginable and earnestly his config is the most transparent I have found yet.

 

Just for the sake of experimentation. If you get long enough lengths of velcro (once again the dollar store is your friend here:)) You can go around the outside of the pads and clamp them in whatever depth and angle you like. Just beware of the ability to eat enormous amounts of time fiddling with that last little millimetre of adjustment which will of course result in the perfect sound signature.

post #21499 of 22854
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Originally Posted by Hutnicks View Post

I have just about every software solution imaginable and earnestly his config is the most transparent I have found yet.

Just for the sake of experimentation. If you get long enough lengths of velcro (once again the dollar store is your friend here:)) You can go around the outside of the pads and clamp them in whatever depth and angle you like. Just beware of the ability to eat enormous amounts of time fiddling with that last little millimetre of adjustment which will of course result in the perfect sound signature.
I think I used the... Isone one. Are we talking about the same plugins? I don't remember who wrote the thread but it felt pretty confusing.

Goodness good call lol. Certainly did not think of that method.
post #21500 of 22854
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Originally Posted by kalbee View Post


I think I used the... Isone one. Are we talking about the same plugins? I don't remember who wrote the thread but it felt pretty confusing.

Goodness good call lol. Certainly did not think of that method.

 

The Isone plug ins are not bad but the Dolby config is still more transparent. There is a pre configed zip of the whole works on post one here.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/555263/foobar2000-dolby-headphone-config-comment-discuss

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Looks like its a different thread altogether. I'll check it out once I get home!
post #21502 of 22854
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Originally Posted by vid View Post

On a related note, the vintage AKG K 241 have relatively similar mids as my HP-50. Not as smooth, but not too far off. And on the other hand, the Senn Unipolar 2000 have notably better mids than the Yama.

 

But I don't think you ever heard the YH1/HP1/YH100 and so? I briefly owned a HP50 that sounded terrible to my ears. Vintage stats seem tempting but I'd be afraid of their transformer box coloring the sound too much ph34r.gif

 

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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post

Feels much like the modern Beyer COP when the vents are fully closed, except the drop was more pronounced on the DT48. I wonder if drilling a hole in the cup would improve their bass response. The midrange is a bit scooped, giving a hollow sound. 

 

Ah, drilling holes in cups.......the ultimate solution to all problems k701smile.gif

 

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Originally Posted by Ishcabible View Post

I've had a pair of DT48's for a while and I never understood the hype. The mids aren't that good even compared to other dynamics.

 

Yeah, thought so....the same way I read constant raving about the CD900ST that basically presents even uglier mids than the Yamaha NS10M. I don't call this "neutral", I call this "ugly for mastering purposes". Also, I see many ppl whining about the SQ of vintage orthos when all they really did was plugging it into their iphone confused_face(1).gif

 

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Originally Posted by Hutnicks View Post

That phone has been around since the 1930's and gone through several incarnations.

 

I think the story is more like the DT48 would be the first dynamic phone and afterwards they all just would all have been pimped DT48's with fancy materials as diaphragms and purer metals as voice coils...but that at the end of the day they'd still be pimped DT48's, which kinda puts things back into perspective when the HP1 is from 1975 and the DT48 from 1937 happy_face1.gif


Edited by leeperry - 4/26/13 at 9:18am
post #21503 of 22854
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post

 

But I don't think you ever heard the YH1/HP1/YH100 and so? I briefly owned a HP50 that sounded terrible to my ears.

 

Never heard other Yamas (my lowball bids keep getting deflected). I think we went over this earlier, didn't we? You found the HP-50 cheap in sound while some other guys rose up to defend them. I find my HP-50 quite good though not perfect. They measure very well, too.

 

You may have had a dud pair or just different preferences.

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I think the story is more like the DT48 would be the first dynamic phone and afterwards they all just would all have been pimped DT48's with fancy materials as diaphragms and purer metals as voice coils...but that at the end of the day they'd still be pimped DT48's, which kinda puts things back into perspective when the HP1 is from 1975 and the DT48 from 1937 happy_face1.gif

 

You've come along way baby.........................NOT.

 

 

Lets face it, about the only "new:" thing in headphones in the last umteen years is the neodynium magnet  It's all simply variations on a theme.

post #21505 of 22854
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Originally Posted by Hutnicks View Post

about the only "new" thing in headphones in the last umteen years is the neodynium magnet  It's all simply variations on a theme.

 

Yeah, I wonder what the top yamies would sound like with neo magnets? OTOH, stronger doesn't necessarilly mean subjectively more enjoyable but many ppl claim that the LCD2 outputs thunderous deep bass(and it's better as it weights +600g IIRC blink.gif).

 

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Originally Posted by vid View Post

Never heard other Yamas (my lowball bids keep getting deflected)

 

Comparing vintage dynamics/stats to the HP50 doesn't really talk to me, that's all...as pretty much even a Kanen KM880 sounds better to my ears.


Edited by leeperry - 4/26/13 at 9:58am
post #21506 of 22854
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post
Ah, drilling holes in cups.......the ultimate solution to all problems k701smile.gif

 

It wouldn't be the first time...

 

Though it's usually more fun to remove the cups entirely. Wait, what were we talking about again? cool.gif

post #21507 of 22854
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post

 

Yeah, I wonder what the top yamies would sound like with neo magnets? OTOH, stronger doesn't necessarilly mean subjectively more enjoyable but many ppl claim that the LCD2 outputs thunderous deep bass(and it's better as it weights +600g IIRC blink.gif).

 

 

Comparing vintage dynamics/stats to the HP50 doesn't really talk to me, that's all...as pretty much even a Kanen KM880 sounds better to my ears.


You want thunderous bass, I missworked a pair of pads for the T20 last night that had my feet vibrating. Sounded like I was inside my old LSW1 (Stereo Subwoofer by Rogers) eek.gif

post #21508 of 22854
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post

Comparing vintage dynamics/stats to the HP50 doesn't really talk to me, that's all...as pretty much even a Kanen KM880 sounds better to my ears.

 

I'd ask if I were you a fellow ortho person if I could have on loan a good-sounding HP-50.

post #21509 of 22854
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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post

The DT48 are a strange beast. Bass rolls off very sharply, or more like it drops then shelves somewhere around... ah, memory tells me 80Hz or so. Feels much like the modern Beyer COP when the vents are fully closed, except the drop was more pronounced on the DT48. I wonder if drilling a hole in the cup would improve their bass response. The midrange is a bit scooped, giving a hollow sound. 

 

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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post

 

Ah, drilling holes in cups.......the ultimate solution to all problems k701smile.gif

 

 

Let me quote myself from another thread, March 2011:

 

 

DT48 open cups.jpg

 

If you remove the lids on the DT48 cups it changes from a sealed enclosure (with the fixed volume of air in the cup acting as suspension) to an open design. Results? Higher output level, more bass (I refrain from being more specific at this stage) and more air/resonance, but also less control and less detail. The difference is astonishing and I'm surprised it hasn't been discussed more in this thread. Experiments with partially open paper/tape washers which allow some air movement between lid and cup might yield benefits. I would be careful, though, as the driver is clearly designed to work in a "closed box" and letting it move freely at loud levels may not be a good thing.

 

I did comparisons mainly with jazz/popular music, including prominent parts for double bass, and the experience was quite gratifying.

 

This is a headphone full of surprises...

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/418746/the-beyerdynamic-dt48-arrives/3030#post_7364748

 

 

Addendum 26 April 2013:

 

This is a fascinating headphone. If you listen to the DT48 for a couple of days, most other headphones will sound artificial and anemic by comparison. Bass is rolled off and the midrange irregularities is a colouration some people (me, at times) find it hard to live with. But do try it if you have the opportunity - it has some winning qualities that are hard to describe, probably thanks to the very strong circular magnet and the aluminium membrane with no suspension (stiff and unable to move a lot of air below 70-80 Hz). But it's solid and can deliver transients like cymbals better than most.

 

Off topic, I know, so here's a photo to steer us onto the right track:

 

 

The HP50, one of my favourite headphones when properly damped. If your HP50 sounds dull or mediocre (often the HP50A and HP50S), this could be the culprit that should be removed:

 

 

The fibre filter in front of the driver. Talk about a veil...


Edited by MDR30 - 4/27/13 at 3:36am
post #21510 of 22854

So how would you compare the DT48 and HP1 then? But I believe there are many versions of the DT48, some being specifically made for medical use and the most vintage ones running on a very low impedance.

 

Well, wualta said that the small yamie drivers measured better due to less physical bounds but also sounded "thinner" IIRC, and that's just how I heard it too. A well driven HP/YH1 can truly sound amazing happy_face1.gif

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