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yeah, no blasting music like that at my gym thankfully..except in the group exercise classes which are in separate rooms. When am on the tread mill or on the weight floor its quiet enough to use something like the YHD-2.

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Happy Birthday Sachu!  May all your ortho dreams come true!  I hope the great Planar Godess vistits you and bestows you with perfect damping materials!!!  tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post

yeah, the YHD-1 is using anisotropic magnets...and I'm not too fund of them in the HP-1. As usual, technically more advanced doesn't necessarily mean more enjoyable(some even prefer the HP50 over the HP-1/YHD-1 blink.gif)

 

My YHD-2 seller shipped them earlier today and said that they should make me plenty happy, we'll see about that happy_face1.gif


i dont really agree, i found the anisotropic HP1 superior to the sintered YH1 i had.

The yhd1 and 2 are similarish, but the yhd1 is a bit more refined.

 

The cerium cobalt yh1k is better than all of the other ones imo.

 

But it doesnt nescasarily mean its the magnet making a headphone better or not. The wharfedale isodynmic uses something resembling a fridge magnet and sounds good.

 

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I think the YHD1 may be one of Yamaha's best drivers in possibly their worst enclosure.  If you heard my transplant next to the stock YHD1 you'd have no idea they were the same driver at all.  Some of that can be expected going from supra to circumaural, but tonality isn't even the same...

 

I personally think the YHD1 should only be purchased for transplant use.  But maybe Don will be able to work some magic with the stock enclosure.  My problem was that in stock form, they are already fairly bright and have plenty of upper midrange and treble presence.  So the goal would be to bring out bass without creating a big upper midrange peak which is what happened to me and what seems to have happened to Don too.  And since they are open back, you can't tame them by trying to stop resonances in the cups... That's a big damping challenge right there.  Easier to start bassy and dark with room to push the higher frequencies up. 

 

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In other news i have 3 kinds of tea filters coming my way, one with exotic hippy trippy materials which clearly will sound more organic and natural right?  tongue_smile.gif  The tea filters should be less dense than coffee. 


Edited by rhythmdevils - 2/14/12 at 2:06pm
post #18905 of 23431
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Originally Posted by Kabeer View Post

i dont really agree, i found the anisotropic HP1 superior to the sintered YH1 i had.

The yhd1 and 2 are similarish, but the yhd1 is a bit more refined.

 

The cerium cobalt yh1k is better than all of the other ones imo.

 

But it doesnt nescasarily mean its the magnet making a headphone better or not. The wharfedale isodynmic uses something resembling a fridge magnet and sounds good.

 

I only use very beefy headamps, so I'm not too worried about efficiency..this said, off an opamp based amplification, the sintered HP-1 sounds pretty muddy compared to the anisotropic I'll give you that...so more than ever, the lower grade phones are not necessarily the worst sounding but they might/will need more juice to sing.

 

Subjectively superior on one rig to one listener doesn't necessarily mean that it would be the same on a different rig and/or to a different listener...otherwise there would be no room for a used market.

 

Yes, it's technically more advanced, but it simply bores me compared to the sintered...too polite to put it simply...I like my mids w/ a touch of 70's sounding musical distortion I guess, and we're talking about +35yo headphones so they might have aged differently as well.

 

You sold your LCD-2 and kept a bunch of yamie's and fostexen, so I didn't think you would disagree too much wink.gif


Edited by leeperry - 2/14/12 at 3:47pm
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I love my aniso HP-1. Its one headphone that gets my feet tapping more consistently than any other headphone.

Though I think I have finally found that balance with NAD(just a couple of days back tongue.gif, that they have now matched/exceeded all my other cans.

 

 

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Happy Birthday Sachu!  May all your ortho dreams come true!  I hope the great Planar Godess vistits you and bestows you with perfect damping materials!!!  tongue.gif

+1beerchug.gif



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Originally Posted by rhythmdevils View Post

 

In other news i have 3 kinds of tea filters coming my way, one with exotic hippy trippy materials which clearly will sound more organic and natural right?  tongue_smile.gif  The tea filters should be less dense than coffee. 


Aha! Exciting  times are ahead.

Keep us updated with your adventures.
 

 

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we're still talking about the same single sample as you bought it from Kabeer ^^

 

anyway, I see that the yh1k is 500g w/o the cord...yay: http://cdn.head-fi.org/d/d0/d04652b6_vbattach301.jpg

 

I like how they also warn that a mere tape deck won't drive them properly, so don't try not gonna werk kthx biggrin.gif

 

I overlooked that the YHD-1/2 were most likely using SFI'sh OEM drivers, that doesn't sound too appealing...ah well, we'll see! but I could foresee the sintered HP-1/YH-1 staying and the aniso HP-1/YHD-2 going to ebay...still didn't bother soldering a stereo plug onto that HP-50 either evil_smiley.gif

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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post

 

I only use very beefy headamps, so I'm not too worried about efficiency..this said, off an opamp based amplification, the sintered HP-1 sounds pretty muddy compared to the anisotropic I'll give you that...so more than ever, the lower grade phones are not necessarily the worst sounding but they might/will need more juice to sing.

 

Subjectively superior on one rig to one listener doesn't necessarily mean that it would be the same on a different rig and/or to a different listener...otherwise there would be no room for a used market.

 

Yes, it's technically more advanced, but it simply bores me compared to the sintered...too polite to put it simply...I like my mids w/ a touch of 70's sounding musical distortion I guess, and we're talking about +35yo headphones so they might have aged differently as well.

 

You sold your LCD-2 and kept a bunch of yamie's and fostexen, so I didn't think you would disagree too much wink.gif

 

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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post

we're still talking about the same single sample as you bought it from Kabeer ^^

 

anyway, I see that the yh1k is 500g w/o the cord...yay: http://cdn.head-fi.org/d/d0/d04652b6_vbattach301.jpg

 

I like how they also warn that a mere tape deck won't drive them properly, so don't try not gonna werk kthx biggrin.gif

 

I overlooked that the YHD-1/2 were most likely using SFI'sh OEM drivers, that doesn't sound too appealing...ah well, we'll see! but I could foresee the sintered HP-1/YH-1 staying and the aniso HP-1/YHD-2 going to ebay...still didn't bother soldering a stereo plug onto that HP-50 either evil_smiley.gif


Firstly, i think its not right to simplify and think you will like a headphone because its sintered rather than anisotropic, because most orthos are sintered and certainly not all are on amazing top tier level.

I sold the LCD2 for different reasons, some personal, but yes I do overall prefer vintage sound. Nevertheless i have always stated the lcd2 is tehcnically the best ortho i have heard, because it has full range, speed, etc, its like a balance between having the least comprimises in any ortho, but my tastes are unique in that the technical performance is not of paramount importance to me.
It seems how a driver sounds is dependand ona lot more than just the magnet.


The YH1k, well its the most efficient of any yamaha ortho bar the yh5m. And its one of the most efficient orthos i have heard, so that instruction should be a warning sign on all other vintage orthos ;).

Yes the YHD drivers LOOK like sfi visually, but they are totally different than them. We dont understand how yamaha did this, but they are far superior. As ryhtmdevils mentioned a little bit above the yhd drivers are really some of the best headphone drivers around, just implementing them to get the best out of them you need to put in a little work. But i agree, yhd1 driver is one of the best drivers you can get.

 

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Well the diango AUH-15 surfaced. http://page15.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t250202753

must be a Akai ASE-50 oem

 

someone grab the pics?

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Thread Starter 

Interesting. Must be the "Reinhardt" model. What else did this Gypsy-Japanese company make? Dare we hope for a "Grapelli" model as well? Har har har. Some great Dada translation from that auction:

 

 Hour your horse before, during and ● in some areas stopped by ※ There is no time can be specified There is also a place. 

 

Just FEI, sintering refers to the process by which all ferrite magnets are made. Well, all the ones we're concerned about here, anyway. Anisotropic refers to an extra step of "aiming" the final magnetic field to concentrate the flux or do other things.


Edited by wualta - 2/15/12 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by rhythmdevils View Post

Thanks for the pic Don!  Real purdy. 

 

In case yall haven't seen this, someone put YH1 drivers in an HD600.  Pretty interesting transplant.  Custom vinyl pads as it looks. 



This was ages ago, but I actually made that transplant. I took a dremel to the baffles in order to retrofit the YH-1 drivers. Epoxy putty was used for mounting and to seal all holes in the baffle including the hinge joints (carefully so as not to inhibit motion). I used felt along with a sham-wow material to damp and closed cell neoprene with a hole in its center to act as a sprig against the felt lined grill. The vinyl pads were stolen from a $2 pair of headphones found at Goodwill if I remember correctly. I used other faux leather pads I had randomly accumulated, but those had the best results. They sounded very nice, imo. Glad to see they had such a positive effect on Armaegis! Never imagined I'd see him reworking SFI's into a Sextett. Sounds like something I'd do. ph34r.gif

 

I also bought those EAH-820's on eBay if anyone was wondering... and had never seen my name on Head-Fi before. :p Bad remarks all around concerning these poor guys. Let's see what they can do. I only hope one of the drivers isn't shot, or something along those lines.

 

Also, anyone ever tried stacking little neodymium magnets on the outside of a vintage ortho to increase their sensitivity? My guess would be a miniscule change, if any, but I can't help but wonder what fifty 4 or 5mm x 1.5 or 2mm disc magnets on each face of my HP-1 drivers would do. redface.gif Please, discuss.

 

Edit - If anyone's looking for an HP-1 headband at cost of shipping let me know. I've got two with head straps cracked to hell, but everything else is good for repair and whatnot.


Edited by khbaur330162 - 2/15/12 at 1:59pm
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Thread Starter 

Hey! Welcome back!


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1 ) I also bought those EAH-820's on eBay if anyone was wondering... and had never seen my name on Head-Fi before. :p Bad remarks all around concerning these poor guys. Let's see what they can do. I only hope one of the drivers isn't shot, or something along those lines.

 

2a ) Also, anyone ever tried stacking little neodymium magnets on the outside of a vintage ortho to increase their sensitivity?

2b ) My guess would be a miniscule change, if any...

2c ) I can't help but wonder what fifty 4 or 5mm x 1.5 or 2mm disc magnets on each face of my HP-1 drivers would do.

2d ) redface.gif Please, discuss.

 

1 ) Let me know if you can make the 820s do something. My 830 isn't promising anything.

 

2a ) Oh yes.

2b ) Oh yes. Well... yeah.

2c ) Heck, give it a try. Why not.

2d ) Try it yourself, then search the thread with the Ludo Memorial Dedicated Search Engine. Report back. [tongue-in-cheek smiley here]
 

 

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Originally Posted by Kabeer View Post

Yes the YHD drivers LOOK like sfi visually, but they are totally different than them. We dont understand how yamaha did this, but they are far superior. [..] yhd1 driver is one of the best drivers you can get.

 

Well, I've kept reading pretty much the same about the SFI's: great bass, great mids...but once ppl put them into new enclosures, they would soon enough end up in the classifieds ^^

 

I even recently found a seller who's got 4 pairs of those 120 Ohm's plus one pair modded into a vintage phone and he's very much willing to let them all go at once evil_smiley.gif

 

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Originally Posted by khbaur330162 View Post
 

 anyone ever tried stacking little neodymium magnets on the outside of a vintage ortho to increase their sensitivity?


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2d ) Try it yourself, then search the thread with the Ludo Memorial Dedicated Search Engine. Report back. [tongue-in-cheek smiley here]


"Memorial"? Sounds ominous... (touching wood, or iron, or..uhm... well.. something down low... as we do around these parts)

 

BTW, I have always been interested in the Amfiton TDS-15 which I also find great looking phones, and yesterday I discussed them a bit with Kabeer and got a sudden urge. The result is this, currently in Berlin waiting to be shipped

 

Amfiton.jpg

 

 

 


Edited by ludoo - 2/15/12 at 1:54pm
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Thread Starter 

Hadda make it sound, y'know, institutional. Good move, getting the Amfiton. Plus you got the more formal-looking black ones. Fashion thumbs up.

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