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post #1531 of 19957
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Originally Posted by ericj View Post
I'm not sure we've reached that conclusion yet.

How much bass are we talking about, and how low is it?
It's like bass boost turned all the way up, goes pretty low, and is the best-resolved and tightest part of the range for that headphone.

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post #1532 of 19957
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Originally Posted by ericj
I'm not sure we've reached that conclusion yet..
Verrrry interesting. Yeah, I don't want to jump to conclusions too soon. Sounds like the YH-3 may have something unique to offer whether it has the magic HP-50 bass or not.

Looking forward to the pics. And yeah, since your YH-2s weren't well cared for during their lives, you might want to compare bassiness to the YH-1 or even the YH-100.


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post #1533 of 19957
Yes, the stock YH-1 should be the fairest comparison.

Anyway, here's a couple pics. I forgot to take pictures of the back of the earcup w/o foam before snapping the deal back together, but these should be interesting anyway, and I'll have the earcup open again.





Clickable as usual if you want a giant version.

And yes, that's a paper gasket you see in the baffle. It's loose, as is the disc of wispy nonwoven fabric that lines the grille.

The baffle as you can see has a lip that the driver fits into, with a little clip on the side that just provides some force and friction that can actually just barely hold it.

Previously i was listening to these out of my Onkyo HT system. At the moment I'm listening to Norah Jones' Live in New Orleans through my M3, and i'm noticing some sloppyness to the bass - so I'll probably be going back in to add some felt. Perhaps not right away.

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Originally Posted by facelvega
It's like bass boost turned all the way up, goes pretty low, and is the best-resolved and tightest part of the range for that headphone.
Turned up all the way? I'm not hearing that, I don't think. Bass goes pretty low, though.
post #1534 of 19957
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Do you pop the baffle clips more or less the way you do on an HOK80?
post #1535 of 19957
yeah, but it's much easier.
post #1536 of 19957
OK, I take it back. It's bassier than Yamakoax. At least in the current incarnation of Yamakoax. But it has about the same depth of bass.

Shuffled some parts around and now i have a stock-ish YH-2 (used the smaller foam disc from a Pro 30 in the YH-2, no felt other than stock, Sony pads which may be too thick). And i have more appropriate strain relief on Yamakoax.

Have I mentioned that I Do Not Like the stock YH-2? The YH-2 drivers are f'in useless in a bellini frame, IMHO. But i suppose i haven't looked hard enough for a worthwhile damping mod in the YH-2 - I'm starting to wonder if the stock felt on the vents is excessive and should be replaced by a single layer of superfelt, which should probably be similar to YH-1 stock damping.

At some point, I'll swap YH-2 drivers into the YH-3 frame and see what happens. That should resolve the question of whether it's the cup design or different drivers.
post #1537 of 19957
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Originally Posted by ericj
OK, I take it back. It's bassier than Yamakoax. At least in the current incarnation of Yamakoax. But it has about the same depth of bass.
[looks up from reading Alice In Wonderland ] Curiouser and curiouser!


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Originally Posted by ericj
Have I mentioned that I Do Not Like the stock YH-2?
I vaguely recall rumors to that effect, yes..

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Originally Posted by ericj
I'm starting to wonder if the stock felt on the vents is excessive and should be replaced by a single layer of superfelt..
Well, you would think, wouldn't you, that Yama, knowing they were going to sell a mini-me version of the YH-1 with less surface area, would want to prop up the bass as much as possible. You would think. So maybe they found that loading up on the vent damping felt did something good. Dunno. If you try it both ways, let us know. Like I said earlier, I've never tried going superfelt on vents.

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Originally Posted by ericj
At some point, I'll swap YH-2 drivers into the YH-3 frame and see what happens. That should resolve the question of whether it's the cup design or different drivers.
Agreed. It's more work that way but it definitively answers the question, although it assumes your YH-2 drivers are typical of all YH-2s.

Oh-- how's the treble, by the way?

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post #1538 of 19957
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Originally Posted by wualta View Post
Well, you would think, wouldn't you, that Yama, knowing they were going to sell a mini-me version of the YH-1 with less surface area, would want to prop up the bass as much as possible. You would think. So maybe they found that loading up on the vent damping felt did something good. Dunno. If you try it both ways, let us know. Like I said earlier, I've never tried going superfelt on vents.
Or maybe they wanted to match the midrange response? I need to compare the truly stock YH-1 to the close-to-stock YH-2.

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Agreed. It's more work that way but it definitively answers the question, although it assumes your YH-2 drivers are typical of all YH-2s.
That's a fair assesment, but i have two pair and they were similar to each-other. One driver on one pair was tweaked when i got it, and I've made an effort to untweak it. One driver on the other pair got tweaked by me. Yamakoax has the two untweaked drivers, and they're pretty well matched.

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Oh-- how's the treble, by the way?

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The YH-3 treble is a little soft. Lacks sparkle. It's not that i like a lot of treble, but acoustic guitar from the likes of kings of convenience sounds a bit flat.

Might be a good use for superfelt? The plastic posts that press the driver against the baffle present an issue. I wonder if I'll have to cut little slits in the felt to allow them through.
post #1539 of 19957
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Originally Posted by ericj View Post
The YH-3 treble is a little soft. Lacks sparkle. It's not that i like a lot of treble, but acoustic guitar from the likes of kings of convenience sounds a bit flat.
Now they're starting to sound like an HP-50a.
post #1540 of 19957
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Originally Posted by facelvega
Now they're starting to sound like an HP-50a.
Getting there.
Eric, would you say the YH-3 sounds ignorable, ie, uninterestingly dull and bass-heavy in stock form? In other words, would you pick it up, listen for 5 seconds, then take it right off, put it down, mumble something about AM radio and walk away if you didn't know what it was?

But when I say bass-heavy I mean so-so flabby bass, not wham-bam good bass. If that's how it sounds, not outrageously obviously bad but so dull that it's something you'd feel comfortable never hearing again for the rest of your life; disappointment incarnate; a whiff of Marketing Failure; no virtue obvious... then it's close to the stock YH-100.

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post #1541 of 19957
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Originally Posted by facelvega View Post
Now they're starting to sound like an HP-50a.
Yeah, I think the confusion is just differences in Perceived Bassiness.

This is evident, for example, in the way that some people argue that the DT770's bass is Somewhat Prominant and others argue that the DT770 bass is "OMGWTFBBQ I can't believe how much bass there is!!!" - I am in the former camp, although I also enjoy a lot of cans that are slightly lean in the bass as long as they have good clarity and extension.
post #1542 of 19957
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Originally Posted by wualta View Post
Getting there.
Eric, would you say the YH-3 sounds ignorable, ie, uninterestingly dull and bass-heavy in stock form? In other words, would you pick it up, listen for 5 seconds, then take it right off, put it down, mumble something about AM radio and walk away if you didn't know what it was?

But when I say bass-heavy I mean so-so flabby bass, not wham-bam good bass. If that's how it sounds, not outrageously obviously bad but like something you'd feel comfortable never hearing again for the rest of your life, then it's close to the stock YH-100.
At least for the HP-50a, the bass was not this loose, but not superbly precise either, and otherwise this could be a match for the YH-100 driver after all, with the same damping promise.

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Yeah, I think the confusion is just differences in Perceived Bassiness.
Well, maybe, but I've had quite a lot of headphones by now, and this was probably the most bass-tilted of them all. Admittedly I'm more of a sweet mids and shimmery highs man, and don't pay such close attention to bass amount, but still.
post #1543 of 19957
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Originally Posted by wualta View Post
Getting there.
Eric, would you say the YH-3 sounds ignorable, ie, uninterestingly dull and bass-heavy in stock form? In other words, would you pick it up, listen for 5 seconds, then take it right off, put it down, mumble something about AM radio and walk away if you didn't know what it was?
Basically. Out of a truly stiff amp it's a bit better than that, but not much.

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Originally Posted by facelvega View Post
At least for the HP-50a, the bass was not this loose, but not superbly precise either, and otherwise this could be a match for the YH-100 driver after all, with the same damping promise.
Yeah. It's just boosted and a little sloppy.
post #1544 of 19957
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I think FV's term, "bass tilted", describes the stock YH-100 sound pretty well. It doesn't sound particularly bass-powerful, just kinda big and rumbleh-mumbleh.

EJ may be right in saying it's all a matter of wording, but folks who've heard the HP-50 have found it very attractive, and attractive is not a word I'd use to describe the stock YH-100. Smooth, yes, and not hopeless (one can imagine oneself twiddling with certain knobs and coming up with a smirk), but, especially with a roomful of Lambdas just begging to dance, not a partner you'd spend any time with. Whereas with the HP-50, it's more OMGWTFCIAFBIYGHT. Does that make sense? I suppose we'll just have to grab an HP-50, or send an HP/YH-3 to Duggeh, or something, or we won't get no satisfaction.
post #1545 of 19957
Well i had it at work all day today, and i enjoyed aspects of it, but, yeah, we need to get an actual HP-50.
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