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post #1516 of 19957

construction, phase, etc

Finally caught one of those 'sales' and picked up a pack of four SFI 'bipolar tweeters' for $20+ship.

The resemblance to the Pro 30 driver is uncanny, aside from the different damping pad on the back.

But what immediately caught my eye is that each one has a lug marked with red sharpie, presumably to indicate "positive here" when soldering, and on each of them it's the back tab rather than the front tab.

Now i know that driver phase is essentially arbitrary, and doubly so with dipole drivers, but it has me puzzled, because i was under the impression that on a dome type driver, normal phase would be hooking the positive lead up to the front tab.

Now I'm going to have to open up my other dome-type spiral-trace orthos and see how they're hooked up. I am of course going on the theory that all of the dome/spiral drivers have traces printed on both sides of the membrane, whereas the serpentine drivers and pinch-type drivers do not.

And while we're on the subject, i could swear that on pinch-type drivers, + usually goes to the outside edge and - to the center.

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post #1517 of 19957
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Originally Posted by facelvega View Post
Fired up the Stax today on my vintage Sherwood S-7100 receiver/amp. Even after getting a Lunchbox amp with upgraded tubes and re-modding my YH-100 for better bass (and boy I could hear both improvements), there's no question, for me the SR-X is still better.
Speaking of which... is there any way to keep the SR-X's sound, but without the earcrushing pain of wearing them? Meaning not changing the sound by using a different enclosure or such...
post #1518 of 19957
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Originally Posted by Fitz View Post
Speaking of which... is there any way to keep the SR-X's sound, but without the earcrushing pain of wearing them? Meaning not changing the sound by using a different enclosure or such...
Someone must have really done a number on my SR-X headband because it has less clamping force than nearly any of my other supra-aural 'phones, and i wear a size 8 hat.

New pads help the comfort too, though.
post #1519 of 19957
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Originally Posted by ericj View Post
Someone must have really done a number on my SR-X headband because it has less clamping force than nearly any of my other supra-aural 'phones, and i wear a size 8 hat.

New pads help the comfort too, though.
It's not clamping force, it's the tiny supraaural cups with virtually non-existant pads. New pads with the vinyl intact are even more uncomfortable to me than old pads with the cloth exposed.
post #1520 of 19957
A Gamma headband makes them a whole lot more comfortable and then you can add an adapter to take the SR-007 earpads.

Btw. If you think the normal bias Mk3 is good then my Mk3 Pro is miles ahead.
post #1521 of 19957
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Originally Posted by wualta View Post
If you could, describe the differences and enumerate the places where the muck still adheres to the YH-100's face. If you can, drive both from the speaker outs.

...And what are you doing up at five in the morning?
I'll give it a closer comparison soon. I'm a bit swamped with headphone stuff right now, with 3 stats on hand, 3 adapter boxes, new power tubes for my Lunchbox, and a new mp3 player since my old one developed an intermittent channel. As far as I can tell, though, every headphone I hear is telling me I need a Lambda, stat.

Five in the morning is getting typical for me. Dissertation writing, holiday parties, and a girl on vacation 3 time zones earlier all aggravate my natural insomniac character, and I got all three last night. Oh, and not having to work 9 to 5 helps.

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A Gamma headband makes them a whole lot more comfortable and then you can add an adapter to take the SR-007 earpads.

Btw. If you think the normal bias Mk3 is good then my Mk3 Pro is miles ahead.
I don't mind my thin fabric pads, guess my ears are the right shape that they remain quite comfortable for an hour or two at least. How does the SR-007 pad mod sound? Something like an SR-5 gold?
post #1522 of 19957
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Originally Posted by facelvega View Post
I don't mind my thin fabric pads, guess my ears are the right shape that they remain quite comfortable for an hour or two at least. How does the SR-007 pad mod sound? Something like an SR-5 gold?
It was less controlled so it could be compared the a SR-5N in some ways. It certainly wasn't bad but when I mod a headphone it is to bring out its strengths and not to transform the way they sound. I'll look into this some more though as I start to hoard Gamma Pro's and SR-X Mk3's for conversion...
post #1523 of 19957
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Originally Posted by facelvega
I'm a bit swamped with headphone stuff right now, with 3 stats on hand, 3 adapter boxes, new power tubes for my Lunchbox, and a new mp3 player...
Wow, you're going all out. Sounds like it'll soon take over your life-as-we-know-it. Meanwhile, we expect photos of you smoking your pipe listening to your 'stats.

This is an Ortho thread, but the inspiration for the ortho-type driver comes straight from 'stat sound.


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Originally Posted by facelvega
As far as I can tell, though, every headphone I hear is telling me I need a Lambda, stat.
You do need a Lambda 'stat.

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Originally Posted by facelvega
Five in the morning is getting typical for me. Dissertation writing, holiday parties, and a girl on vacation 3 time zones earlier all aggravate my natural insomniac character...
Still dissertatering, eh? Same one, or the sequel?

A nod of the head to the other two, especially the insomnia.
post #1524 of 19957
My YH-3 has turned up. Huzzah! I now have YH-1, YH-2, YH-3, and YH-100. And no HP- series.

Seems to be in good condition. Cable a little stiff below each earcup so we know someone used them significantly, but the pads are in good shape and they were reasonably clean.

Stock SQ doesn't seem bad. I should spend some time getting used to the stock sound before i start meddling.

But since we know I'll meddle with them anyway, any tips for disassembly?

I like the 3-series frame so much better than bellinis . . . .
post #1525 of 19957
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ericj
My YH-3 has turned up. Huzzah!
I must be slipping or dozy. I didn't know you had one on the way, but now we have a basis for comparison with an HP-50 should one come along.

Note that aside from the mono HP-50A there's a plain HP-50, which is also mono. Note the cable routing and type-- it looks just like the original Ortho line's cables:




...plus there's a stereo HP-50S:



I suspect the HP-50 was the earliest. The coiled cables of the 50A and 50S probably came later.


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Originally Posted by ericj
Stock SQ doesn't seem bad. I should spend some time getting used to the stock sound before i start meddling.
Does it differ fundamentally from the usual stock Ortho sound?


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Originally Posted by ericj
But since we know I'll meddle with them anyway, any tips for disassembly?
This should be a cinch for you and your nickel-assisted HOK dissassembly process. My guess is that you'll find the two very similar.


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Originally Posted by ericj
I like the 3-series frame so much better than bellinis . . . .
Ain't it cute? No goofy fragile struts. The earpads always seemed a little too poofy for max bass, but let us know if this is the case.

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post #1526 of 19957
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Originally Posted by wualta View Post
I must be slipping or dozy. I didn't know you had one on the way, but now we have a basis for comparison with an HP-50 should one come along.
I'll take dozy, since it's new years eve (well, new year by now), and you did know. But how anyone could keep my purchases straight is beyond me - sometimes i'm surprised by the parcels that show up on my porch.

I've got the box in good condition but no accompanying documentation. Want a glamour shot of the headphones leaned up against the box or something? Visually it seems to be identical to the HP-50, except black.

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Note that aside from the mono HP-50A there's a plain HP-50, which is stereo. Note the cable routing and type-- it looks just like the original Ortho line's cables:

...plus a stereo HP-50S:

I suspect the HP-50 was the earliest. The coiled cables of the 50A and 50S probably came later.
Yeah. I'm jealous of the padded headband and single-entry cable a bit. But I'm still not paying what that guy in eastern europe wants for his HP-50S. I suppose if the YH-3 shows promise i can make these changes myself with some drill work and sewing.

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Does it differ fundamentally from the usual stock Ortho sound?
I haven't done an A/B with my stockers YH-1 but my gut reaction is "No".

I may have to pull the drivers out of my Rev. 1 YH-2 transplant and rebuild a YH-2 to do truly fair comparisons. (Yamakoax is Rev. 3 of the YH-2 transplant effort).

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Ain't it cute? No goofy fragile struts. The earpads always seemed a little too poofy for max bass, but let us know if this is the case.
Yup! And I agree about the pads, but we shall see.

Sometimes i wonder about making pads with a 1/8" layer of closed cell foam behind a 1/4" layer of quilt batting, with somewhat loose glove weight leather covering. You know, to form closely to the ear for a good seal without holding out the driver.
post #1527 of 19957
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Originally Posted by ericj View Post
Yeah. I'm jealous of the padded headband and single-entry cable a bit. But I'm still not paying what that guy in eastern europe wants for his HP-50S. I suppose if the YH-3 shows promise i can make these changes myself with some drill work and sewing.
The HP-50a has the single-entry coiled cable, but no padding in the headband. Never thought the earpads were too puffy.


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I haven't done an A/B with my stockers YH-1 but my gut reaction is "No".
So, not the overpowering bass of the HP-50a? It would be instantly noticeable.
post #1528 of 19957
Thread Starter 
That pretty much confirms our suspicion that the HP-50 line shares a unique driver.

Oh Mistah Duggeh, why did you kick your HP-50A out of your headphone bed? It warn't eatin' crackers...

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Originally Posted by ericj
I may have to pull the drivers out of my Rev. 1 YH-2 transplant and rebuild a YH-2 to do truly fair comparisons.
Probably not necessary. You'll be unsnapping your YH-3, right? Why not just pull out its drivers and the YH-2 drivers and hold both up against your ears? That'd be close enough.


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post #1529 of 19957
I'm not sure we've reached that conclusion yet.

How much bass are we talking about, and how low is it?
post #1530 of 19957
Well, when i listen to something bassy, the bass response is good, much better than the stock YH-2 at least as i remember it. I haven't unearthed my stock YH-1 for a/b comparison yet.

I've opened it up. pics forthcoming.

The driver is visually indistinguishable from the YH-2 driver except that it's cleaner and doesn't have bits of decomposing brown foam rattling around in it.

The bass quantity is similar to Yamakoax, which is pretty interesting because Yamakoax currently has two layers of cheap felt against the driver and a layer of superfelt lining the back grille. The YH-3 has no felt filtering the vents, just foam.

And in the YH-3, the foam seems to be For Damping. Spring is not required because the driver is pushed against the baffle by four plastic posts on the back of the earcup.
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