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post #15076 of 18856

Just remember that when the tuning effort fails, or one just wants some variation, then there is always.... cheating....

 

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Here, I for instance increase that really deep bass on the LCD-1 a bit. I don't want to mess with it permanently, because it sounds spectacular as it is too.


Edited by DefectiveAudioComponent - 8/4/10 at 4:23am

Gear mentioned in this thread:

Yamaha Stereo Headphones
Fostex T50RP Closed Ear Stereo Headphones
post #15077 of 18856

I have a question from NAD/T50 owners.

 

Has anyone tried removing the thin sheet pasted on the grille ?

Does it have any acoustic effect?

post #15078 of 18856


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Originally Posted by gurubhai View Post

I have a question from NAD/T50 owners.

 

Has anyone tried removing the thin sheet pasted on the grille ?

Does it have any acoustic effect?

Yes.  I think it's the main reason they feel so "closed in" even though they leak a lot of sound.  I'm not completely removing it, but it needs to be perforated to open the cans more then allow for better tuning with proper felts.
 

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Originally Posted by DefectiveAudioComponent View Post

Just remember that when the tuning effort fails, or one just wants some variation, then there is always.... cheating....

 

Here, I for instance increase that really deep bass on the LCD-1 a bit. I don't want to mess with it permanently, because it sounds spectacular as it is too.

i realize im speaking a bit out of context, here and im certainly not looking to start a flame war or anything, but...
i always find it amusing when people are willing to almost completely gut a pair of headphones or mod them in every way imaginable to perfect the sound, but they somehow dont consider using eq a part of that process.  I own Thunderpants for instance.. they sound great, but booooooooy do they sound a heck of a lot better and more balanced with some EQ and a good crossfeed... just another form of modding as far as im concerned..maybe even a better one b/c you can change drastically very easily without altering the cans physically.

 

post #15080 of 18856
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Originally Posted by peli_kan View Post

Does a larger reflex dot affect treble extension or emphasis?  My ears can't tell. 

Making a reflex dot (not disc but dot) larger moves the lowest frequency being reflected back to the listener downward. In other words, if you only wanted to tweak the top octave, you'd use a very small dot, maybe several of them. That would be a way to compensate for some mild overdamping, for example. If your phone seems to have Severe Ortho Droop, you'd want to grab one of the 19mm office-supply dots. My thinking these days is that most 'phones that've been carefully damped won't need a dot that large and would benefit from that multiplicity of smaller dots idea.

Does that help? Basically the dot is trying to reflect all frequencies (it doesn't know any better-- it got a bad grade in junior-year physics), but the longer wavelengths (ie, bass and mids) just bend right around it. Thus it only ends up reflecting treble.
 

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Originally Posted by DefectiveAudioComponent View Post

.... cheating....


Here, I for instance increase that really deep bass on the LCD-1 a bit. I don't want to mess with it permanently, because it sounds spectacular as it is too.

Using the "discotheque" DSP, eh? No, I don't blame you a bit.


 

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Originally Posted by gurubhai View Post

I have a question from NAD/T50 owners. Has anyone tried removing the thin sheet pasted on the grille ? Does it have any acoustic effect?

It would have the same effect on FR that the Yamaha vent damping felt has-- it helps keep down bass cancellation. Does a flat grille held parallel to the diaphragm also reflect some program back at the listener? Certainly. With good absorptive materials in between, the tradeoff is a good one, imo, but others might well disagree, because the T50v1's soundstage is disappointing.

 

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Originally Posted by Br777 View Post

i find it amusing when people are willing to almost completely gut a pair of headphones or mod them in every way imaginable to perfect the sound, but they somehow dont consider using eq a part of that process.

We've talked about this in the past, of course, and my take on it is that a surprising number haven't heard a competent EQ circuit and have developed a kind of Anti-EQist (which is to say purist) approach that traces its origins to some high-end manufacturers of the late '70s. Live and let live, I say-- meanwhile, you're enjoying phones that would wear you down psychically without that little kick of electronic help. If the 'phones take EQ gracefully and the EQ itself is competent, how can anyone say you're deluding yourself? Especially now, when EQ can be done in the digital domain. But it's not worth getting into a religious argument about.

post #15081 of 18856

Which player/EQ are you using? Might just give it a try when my T50RPs arrive.
 

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Originally Posted by Br777 View Post



i realize im speaking a bit out of context, here and im certainly not looking to start a flame war or anything, but...
i always find it amusing when people are willing to almost completely gut a pair of headphones or mod them in every way imaginable to perfect the sound, but they somehow dont consider using eq a part of that process.  I own Thunderpants for instance.. they sound great, but booooooooy do they sound a heck of a lot better and more balanced with some EQ and a good crossfeed... just another form of modding as far as im concerned..maybe even a better one b/c you can change drastically very easily without altering the cans physically.

 



post #15082 of 18856

im currently using foobar with effect chainer so i can use electri-q and isone pro together.

ive tried many variations, but i keep coming back to electri-q because its parametric, allows unlimited modification points, and is all around super easy to use IMO.

 

isone can be tweaked in many ways, but i just use it in a way that pretty dramatically expands the soundstage.

 

on a side note.. i just went on youtube and played a bunch of woofer workout tracks with my thunderpants. ((    ))  Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! 


Edited by Br777 - 8/5/10 at 9:53pm
post #15083 of 18856

I was using the reaper raeq as equalizer before I got into modding the orthos. IME, modding is easier & gives better results.

 

I also use the 5.1 version of Isone pro for movies, works pretty well. For music, I am still not convinced.

post #15084 of 18856

I wonder if anyone can help me...

 

I'm at my father's home turning cups and baffles for my Thunderpants, but stupidly I didn't bring the T50RPs with me. I need to know the distance between the copper tubes of the headband (center to center) and if possible the diameter of the tubes to that I can make wooden fittings for the headband.

 

Hopefully someone has this info to hand...!

 

Lecky.

 

post #15085 of 18856

distance between tubes: 7.5mm, tube diameter: 5mm minimum, 6mm max. starts to fatten at 2mm from the tip.

 

Oh yeah, are you going to drill holes on the side for the mounting pins? Ask me if you need the location of these thing as well.


Edited by ujamerstand - 8/5/10 at 2:55am
post #15086 of 18856

That's fantastic - amazingly quick! Thanks ujamerstand. I'll drill conservatively here with the drill-press and I can always open the holes up a bit when I get home...

 

Thanks!

 

So to be clear - that's 8.1mm centre to centre, right? (lets call it 8mm among friends...)


Edited by lecky - 8/5/10 at 3:07am
post #15087 of 18856

no problem, good luck!

post #15088 of 18856

It's actually a quite convincing presentation of the music being recorded in a small crowded disco. To get the feeling of being inside said disco I'd need more drivers to play the (synthesized) wall reflections. Perhaps I could build an ortho with three drivers in each cup.... Or just use speakers.
 

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Originally Posted by wualta View Post

 

Using the "discotheque" DSP, eh? No, I don't blame you a bit.




Edited by DefectiveAudioComponent - 8/5/10 at 7:04am
post #15089 of 18856

Going back to page 1006, Br777 posted talking about his eq set up. Ive been wanting to try foobar for a while and im wondering how i can make my vst plugins work with it. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by BaudlyDamage View Post

Going back to page 1006, Br777 posted talking about his eq set up. Ive been wanting to try foobar for a while and im wondering how i can make my vst plugins work with it. Thanks!


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