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post #11806 of 19952
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Originally Posted by wualta View Post
So you don't like 'em, right? [note: just kidding]
Yeah, I got it the first time.

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You've got to be very picky to nitpick the SR-X... I'm prepared to nitpick them
In true audiophile fashion, of course. Ordinary mortals would say good enough and leave it at that.

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the bass really is a little weak, they do verge on bright
I of course see where you're coming from, but the bass, at least on my SR-X, is very recording dependent. Sometimes, especially on bass heavy tracks, it really brings out the bass quite well, with both punch and some rumble, even. On other recordings, I agree that the bass really is kind of wimpy. Also, my preferences seem to lean toward the slightly bass-lite + treble heavy, for whatever reason, so the SR-X is quite nearly flat sounding for me. I tried EQing up and down different bands of frequencies and everything I tried made it sound worse, either by killing timbre or masking/recessing other frequencies, etc, except for a very slight boost of the low bass (55Hz is the lowest on foobar) and high treble (20kHz).

There's something that's not quite right with the sound that I was trying to make sense of with the whole "musical" to the point of masking details thing in my previous post, and I believe the cause of that to be the fact that there's almost no space between the drivers and the ears. I'm still not sure how to describe what's wrong with it, and unable to back up my hypothesis. I think I might try some circumaural-ish pads for fun, later, if I can find something that is the right size that will fit over/on top of the SR-X pads and won't kill the bass.

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Originally Posted by wualta
Definaitateley worth having in the fleet.
Defiantleitately one of the best running gags ever, bar naught. Thanks for sniggeting reminding me I have way too many mediocre-sounding headphones. Luckily I will not be sucked into the evils of Speaker-Fi for quite some time, so I won't have to deal with AK and worrying about woogers clogging up my nostrils.

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post #11807 of 19952
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Originally Posted by mypasswordis
Yeah, I got it the first time.
You did, but I was worried the noobs might not, y'know.


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Originally Posted by mypasswordis
Ordinary mortals would say good enough and leave it at that.
Ah, but our ambition is made of sterner stuff.


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Originally Posted by mypasswordis
..Also, my preferences seem to lean toward the slightly bass-lite + treble heavy... so the SR-X is quite nearly flat sounding for me.
Good. That's all that matters. We like to say that all ears hear differently, yet when a headphone that's balanced and more or less flat is presented to our ears, we immediately recognize it.

I've never heard the 4070, but from what I understand, it's a kind of sideways development of the SR-X. That's all very well, but like you I do wonder, just as I have in this thread in relation to the Orthos, what would have resulted had Stax not abandoned both the simplicity of the SR-X chassis and the development of the SR-X driver.


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Originally Posted by mypasswordis
I believe the cause of that to be the fact that there's almost no space between the drivers and the ears. I'm still not sure how to describe what's wrong with it..
I submit (though I'm far from certain-- what I'm about to describe is surely not what I'd call a "musical" distortion) that you're describing the closed-in feeling, the lack of headstage that bothered me back in the day. Details are folded back into a much smaller space than they should occupy, and the effect is of having all the details (which are certainly present) crowded together and, er, staxed on top of one another.

To me this is by far the most important failing of the headphone, and it could be the reason Stax left it for dead. You can see why I've been dreaming of an ortho (or a 'stat, I'm not that picky) that could do the job of an SR-X (flat response, excellent transients all up and down the spectrum, good dynamic linearity) with the headstage of something like the ECR-500.

I'm hoping Don B's latest transplant will succeed or at least point us in the direction we need to go. It could also be that Audeze succeeded; I haven't heard it so I don't know.


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Defiantleitately one of the best running gags ever, bar naught.
I was incited to riot by that famous running-ninja-gagger Kabeer in post 11788, I swear. I could not help meself, m'lud.

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Luckily I will not be sucked into the evils of Speaker-Fi for quite some time, so I won't have to deal with AK and worrying about woogers...
Also luckily, you live in the era of the Cheap Good Little Speaker, so it could happen that you'll scroe a couple of your own little woogers (and the speakers they're in) pretty soon. Speakers can teach you about headphones and headphones can teach you about speakers. Small speakers make it easy to experiment. Just a thought.
post #11808 of 19952
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Originally Posted by wualta View Post
I was incited to riot by that famous running-ninja-gagger Kabeer in post 11788, I swear. I could not help meself, m'lud.
Hah, well spotted . I shall not concede to the English language, instead it shall concede to me!!
post #11809 of 19952
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Smeggy FTW! As we say on AudioKarma, SCROE! [we say a lot of strange typo-like things on AudioKarma, like "wooger", but that's another thread]

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LOL! I love AK, but I'm not nearly as active over there as I am here, mostly because I don't have hoards of vintage gear...


DAC-

Try a pad adapter and new pads yet? The Kenwood KH-82 has acceptable bass at low volumes, but distorts or clips at higher volumes. The W11 pads from cetoole helped a lot and I'm still cutting out my pad adapters for them. I think the built-in trafos are too small on my Kenwoods and saturate way too soon. I'm planning to add a switch and allow the bias circuit on my energizer to be defeated so I can recable the KH-82 to run off the energizer in the future. A little hesitant to do that though as I do enjoy the KH-82 for what they are and how they sound at low volumes. I'll start with a new cable once my spool of cryo'd Alpha wire shows up.
post #11810 of 19952
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Originally Posted by wualta
I submit (though I'm far from certain-- what I'm about to describe is surely not what I'd call a "musical" distortion) that you're describing the closed-in feeling, the lack of headstage that bothered me back in the day. Details are folded back into a much smaller space than they should occupy, and the effect is of having all the details (which are certainly present) crowded together and, er, staxed on top of one another.

To me this is by far the most important failing of the headphone, and it could be the reason Stax left it for dead. You can see why I've been dreaming of an ortho (or a 'stat, I'm not that picky) that could do the job of an SR-X (flat response, excellent transients all up and down the spectrum, good dynamic linearity) with the headstage of something like the ECR-500.

I'm hoping Don B's latest transplant will succeed or at least point us in the direction we need to go. It could also be that Audeze succeeded; I haven't heard it so I don't know.
I don't think it's closed-in, per se - most/all of the orthos that are vented-closed or just plain closed are actually closed-in sounding, for obvious reasons. Otherwise, I think you've hit the nail on the head about what's wrong (and right) with the SR-X and have been right all these years. I'm glad our findings coincide so well; it may just be new-toy syndrome but right now my perfect headphone - ortho or 'stat - would be able to take the SR-X's incredible linearity, add 2 or so dB at both extremes, and introduce a good amount of headstage. Now eagerly awaiting Don to report back on his transplant.

I don't know how well the 4070 approaches my ideal, but it's definitely piqued my interest at least a few times over the past couple of years. Still not quite a fan of wearing two heavy, blocky chunks of wood on my head, though. I was planning on swapping out the SR-X drivers with some Alpha Pro Excellent drivers to make a pseudo SR-X Pro... we shall see if that comes to pass.

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Originally Posted by wualta
Also luckily, you live in the era of the Cheap Good Little Speaker, so it could happen that you'll scroe a couple of your own little woogers (and the speakers they're in) pretty soon. Speakers can teach you about headphones and headphones can teach you about speakers. Small speakers make it easy to experiment. Just a thought.
One I've been considering. But money put into speakers means less for headphones, and both is not a choice. I may be nearing the end of headphones if I can find the "perfect" headphone described above, though. For now, the nearest approximations I have are the normal bias Lambda and Jecklin 'stats.
post #11811 of 19952
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post
The driver should be bolted together but one can never be quite sure. It was a complete unit in the HR-1000 for what it is worth.
I had another look today, and the X1 driver bolted (together) to the baffle and can't be removed (at least not in a way that allows it to be put back in the same way again easily).

The cable can be removed. It uses a two-pin connector at each driver, and a three-pin connector at the adaptor/transformer box end. Are there other electrets that have a three-pin connector going into a larger box?

There are plenty of places to connect stuff to the drivers that aren't connected to anything. I wonder what they are for.

As you can see here, only some of the connectors are used. (and you can also see the plastic things bolting the driver to the baffle)
post #11812 of 19952
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mypasswordis
...right now my perfect headphone - ortho or 'stat - would be able to take the SR-X's incredible linearity, add 2 or so dB at both extremes, and introduce a good amount of headstage.
In my opinion that's a very good ideal to have. Anyway, you can see why I got so excited about the original NA market Fostex T50, since it's very much like the SR-X, right down to the limited headstage.

Again, binaural recordings tell the tale. I understand our own Duggeh is considering the get of the necessary fixin's to roll his own. If this comes to pass, I expect he'll share some audio clips if we axe politely.


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Originally Posted by mypasswordis
I was planning on swapping out the SR-X drivers with some Alpha Pro Excellent drivers to make a pseudo SR-X Pro... we shall see if that comes to pass. For now, the nearest approximations I have are the normal bias Lambda and Jecklin 'stats.
I hope you can find the hi-bias drivers to do the swap, but even if you can't, an SR-X, a Lambda and a Jecklin is not a bad place to stop, not at all.
post #11813 of 19952
Hey waulta, OT, but before I post them on eBay, are you interested in a set of original large Advent woofers and crossovers? The woofers need new surrounds, but measure out to 5.3ohms or so each, IIRC. they match all the others posted on AK anyways. I have the fried eggs too, but one is an open coil and one was flattened on the front. The cabinets were completely ruined with mildew so they were trashed. Took all the measurements and salvaged what paperwork off the backs I could. Have both the serial numbers though.

Figured I'd sell them with the crossovers for $35 plus shipping as they typically go for $50 plus shipping for just the woofers on ebay.

If you know anyone else who would want them, or anyone else in the ortho thread wants them, LMK. I've just decided to focus on other projects.
post #11814 of 19952
I'm switching between the AKAI and the AUDEZE here. Extra bass or extra large and extra precise airy headstage with sparkle on top? That's what's on the menu. Maybe it's possible to get both, somehow?
post #11815 of 19952
Dac, try switching out that dense paper disc for some lesser dense felt - this will open the headstage a little - but at the expense of bass focus , sparkle can be tweaked with ...... yes kabeer I am going to suggest it ...... micropore or the ophthalmic tape BMF likes to use .

..dB
post #11816 of 19952
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Originally Posted by dBel84
yes kabeer I am going to suggest it ...... micropore or the ophthalmic tape BMF likes to use.
You suggestive devil you! And where would DAC deploy this micropore? right up against the driver?
post #11817 of 19952
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Originally Posted by dBel84 View Post
...... yes kabeer I am going to suggest it ...... micropore or the ophthalmic tape BMF likes to use .

..dB
Everytime you use micropore a kitten dies :'(
post #11818 of 19952
While I think about this ethical dilemma, I've been searching for the lost bass on the X1 electret.

If I turn up the volume on my XCAN headamp to the max, then the deep bass emerges (but in total, it gets a bit.... loud....). I wish it was there at more comfortable listening levels.

I put a blue light behind the driver for this photo (I had to mess a bit with the colors on the photo to make it visible):


While I'm posting pictures.... does anyone in here recognize this three-pin connector from other electret gear?
post #11819 of 19952
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Originally Posted by Kabeer View Post
Everytime you use micropore a kitten dies :'(
LCD-1 in the house ...... now where did i leave that roll of micropore ..dB
post #11820 of 19952
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Originally Posted by dBel84 View Post
LCD-1 in the house ...... now where did i leave that roll of micropore ..dB
Umm I don't know I don't remember if I returned it to you..whose LCD-1 is it? Has it come in for a tune up ?
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