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post #1381 of 1668

I'm having some trouble. I want to buy the DT-880 (250Ohm) yet I can't stand the stupid coiled cable. I have seen some with out the coiled cable. Can any one help solve this for me? Thanks.

post #1382 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Suicide_Sound View Post

I'm having some trouble. I want to buy the DT-880 (250Ohm) yet I can't stand the stupid coiled cable. I have seen some with out the coiled cable. Can any one help solve this for me? Thanks.

 

The one you're seeing with the coiled cable is the Pro version. You want the Premium version, which comes stock with a straight cable.

post #1383 of 1668

Great! Thanks!

post #1384 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post

 

I think you're spot on. I've had the exact same sensation when watching a concert. Imaging especially is virtually nonexistent, apart from very obvious cues (the soloist on the end is going to sound very slightly panned to his or her side). In fact, every live performance I've ever seen has been like listening in mono, except with the sense of presence and ambiance being presented in stereo.

 

There's some give and take with the headphone presentation. They're incapable of presenting a 360 degree sound field, and they're technically incapable of depth and height (though the DT880 does a good job of producing the illusion of both these things), but they can make detail a lot more apparent and they exaggerate location cues (that soloist is now clearly on his/her side instead of just slightly off center).

 

Another problem with headphones is that the entire presentation moves when you move your head. Obviously a real performance isn't going to do this. Even sitting still it's not quite right because the sensation of distance just isn't there. I've caught myself being surprised by the proximity of the cups on occasion, though--clearly my brain was interpreting the sound as coming from a point just outside my head and was momentarily jarred by the presence of the headphone slightly closer than it had calculated through what it was hearing. It's a weird uncanny valley effect that nevertheless delights me every time it happens because it reminds me just how excellent the DT880 really is.

 

Of course the thing about a symphony concert is that you're sitting a decent distance away (generally) and the angle of the furthest players to left or right is not that great--probably 40 degrees at most. When listening on headphones (usually to material recorded with spot mics in a studio) the angle of the most extremely positioned players is likely to be more like 100 degrees, so separation is exaggerated as is detail generally. It's just a different exerience, with its own particular delights. I can still picture the orchestra, but the sort of reality I once hoped for I've now long given up on; I content myself with a different kind of reality, a more heightened but less "real" reality. I guess it's a bit like expecting the same sort of dynamic range from a recording as you get live. Still, there are people who get entranced listening to music on a table radio, so I guess much of it comes down to how good our imaginations are at filling in the blanks.       

 

Agree with you that the 880 is good at depth cues (not sure about height). I find it superior to my HE-500 in that regard.

post #1385 of 1668

The height is more of a vague feeling than it is something readily definable. I don't perceive any cues coming from different vertical planes, but on the DT880 the whole experience doesn't feel like it's capped by a low ceiling, which is how a lot of headphones feel to me.

 

I never thought of the angle thing, but of course you're right. Headphones spread everything out in a line which passes through your head, so positioning of cues would be exaggerated.

 

I remember when I read descriptions of headphones with good soundstage, I couldn't wait to actually hear one. The experience was kind of underwhelming at first, but eventually I got to appreciate it for what it was. It's an enhancement to the headphone presentation, not a departure from it. One thing extensive headphone listening has done is make me feel almost nearsighted when listening to a real performance, since microdetail and texture are nowhere near as apparent, and I have to take some time to "focus" properly.

post #1386 of 1668
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Originally Posted by ksimm033 View Post

Are the DT770 a good can for mainstream R&B, Hip-Hop and Country? Do they isolate well/comfortable? And are they worth using, when listening to MP3 files (meaning is there any sense since it's not lossless)?

Imo, in my experience they work good with EDM music, but they _could_ need a slight tame on the treble, meaning eqing down the highest frequencies about 2-5dB, if you find them bright. The bass is very good for hip hop and such and it goes very deep, much deeper than, say Sennheiser HD600's bass.

 

They are some of the most comfortable cans i've ever used along with my Sennheiser HD600's, but the clamp especially on the PRO version is a bit harder.

 

The isolation is about 18dB if I remember correctly, and that means if you're listening to music you can't hear your friend talking next to you, so it's pretty good.

 

Quality of MP3, if they are 320kbps files is very good, and most people can't hear difference between FLAC and mp3 anyway. 

 

Hope I was able to help. 

post #1387 of 1668

Argyris, I know I shouldn't ask, but if you're Head-Fi's third most long-winded poster, who are nos 1 & 2? confused.gif

post #1388 of 1668
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

Argyris, I know I shouldn't ask, but if you're Head-Fi's third most long-winded poster, who are nos 1 & 2? confused.gif

 

You'll have to ask Currawong. He gave me the title. biggrin.gif

post #1389 of 1668

Well, if he really is watching, I won't need to ask. tongue.gif

post #1390 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Headzone View Post

Imo, in my experience they work good with EDM music, but they _could_ need a slight tame on the treble, meaning eqing down the highest frequencies about 2-5dB, if you find them bright. The bass is very good for hip hop and such and it goes very deep, much deeper than, say Sennheiser HD600's bass.

 

They are some of the most comfortable cans i've ever used along with my Sennheiser HD600's, but the clamp especially on the PRO version is a bit harder.

 

The isolation is about 18dB if I remember correctly, and that means if you're listening to music you can't hear your friend talking next to you, so it's pretty good.

 

Quality of MP3, if they are 320kbps files is very good, and most people can't hear difference between FLAC and mp3 anyway. 

 

Hope I was able to help. 

Thanks for the reply! Would a FiiO E11 be good for eqing them down?

 

In your opinion would you say the PRO version gets uncomfortable after sometime and does it isolate a lot better?

 

Would this be a big upgrade in regards to the CAL! and is the sound completely different? Right now I'm considering these and the SRH840's; HD558. All are between $175-$190.

 

I really appreciate the info and help! 

post #1391 of 1668

COP here, my heart still has a hole the size of a DT880 + O2 though.....

post #1392 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Keska View Post

COP here, my heart still has a hole the size of a DT880 + O2 though.....

 

Sorry, I've been up for about 16 hours straight and my eyelids are fluttering with sleep, and my mind is a bit feeble. I feel like it should be obvious, but what is COP?

post #1393 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post

 

Sorry, I've been up for about 16 hours straight and my eyelids are fluttering with sleep, and my mind is a bit feeble. I feel like it should be obvious, but what is COP?

Custom One Pro 

post #1394 of 1668

edit: Nevermind! Just realized the DT770s have been discontinued. 


Edited by AngryGuy - 12/30/12 at 4:13am
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