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post #3901 of 4681
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

No need to apologize; it's a legitimate, reasonable question.

 

No I have not (heard the HD700).

 

Thanks - and I appreciate your honesty.

 

Can I suggest then - that you can't really say this with any authority .......

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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

The HD700 is a horrible headphone, avoid it like the plague. 

 

...... simply because realistically you have no idea how it actually sounds.  I might also suggest that whilst graphs can be helpful in interpreting what we hear, they shouldn't be used to tell us what we hear before we've actually heard it.  All that does is add bias before we audition anything.  Another headphone that was widely maligned on release was the SRH1840 (because of graphs).  A lot of people who've spent time with them would also tell you that if you like a very flat/neutral headphone - the SRH1840 is wonderful.  Essentially a flatter HD600 with better imaging.  In fact at current pricing (sub 500), the SRH 1840 would actually be one of my recommended buys.  I wish I still had mine (sold it to buy the RS1's - which I liked, but in the end did not really "wow" me as much as I thought they would).

 

I've only had the HD700 a couple of weeks so far - but I really do like them.  Yes there is a spike - but it can be EQ'd out (I don't, but it's easy to do).  If you're overly treble sensitive they might not suit.  But they are not horrible headphones - far from it IMO.  And I see used pairs going at sub $600 (saw one pair last week at sub $500!) which actually makes them a pretty good buy.

 

All I'd suggest is that maligning a headphone (which you've never heard) because of a graph is actually a pretty ill-informed thing to do.  Better to say nothing until you've had the chance to actually hear them.  With an open mind - they might even surprise you ......

post #3902 of 4681
I tend to judge based on how well they handle my preferred genres and subgenres, though I test with some other genres too.

1. K501 (all classical subgenres except maybe harpsichord, jazz)
2. K340 (piano, vocals, also industrial metal)
3. SR80i (organ, chamber, thrash metal)
4. T50RP (movies, vocals, also black metal)
5. K702 (confused.gif)

Measurements help me find out what I might like to try and what to avoid buying because I already know which sounds I prefer, such as rolled off bass.

I rely also on the opinions of members whose taste I'm familiar with, whether similar to or different from mine. As long as I can figure out that you have very particular tastes and aren't groping blindly.
Edited by Claritas - 3/23/14 at 9:12am
post #3903 of 4681
I didn't even think it was that harsh (HD700).
Didn't akg k812 measure quite "badly" for example? People still seems to enjoy it and some people says it's the best dynamic headphone.
post #3904 of 4681
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

 

3: I have never heard of anyone liking the HE-500 more than the HE-6, nor the HD700 over the HD800 when they're all driven to the extents of their potential.

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/hifiman-he-5-he-5le-he-6-and-he500-planar-magnetic-headphones:

 

"I found the HE-6 to have an improved upper mid-range, delivering a somewhat more full-bodied sound than its predecessors. Unfortunately for me, the tizzyness of the HE-5 returned with the HE-6, and I found them a little too bright for extended sessions. I'll add though, that many find these headphones fabulous when match carefully with very good amps.

 

HiFiMAN HE-500 ($899)
Ahhhh … balance! Fang Bian has pushed my buttons with the HE-500, which is significantly more coherent sounding throughout. With these cans, HiFiMAN has retained the strong magnets and field symmetry of the HE-6; gone back to an aluminum conductor; and added special treatments to the diaphragm.

Still slightly too fast, but now with a tamer treble, everything seems better integrated into a marvelously well-balanced presentation. The music blooms clear and whole."

post #3905 of 4681
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Originally Posted by Androb View Post

I didn't even think it was that harsh (HD700).
Didn't akg k812 measure quite "badly" for example? People still seems to enjoy it and some people says it's the best dynamic headphone.

 

I think people like Tyll Hertsens put a lot of emphasis on measurements, and while that aids in showing possible sonic flaws, most people will probably never do measurements or assume anything is wrong if the headphones sound good to them....

post #3906 of 4681
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Originally Posted by Androb View Post

Didn't akg k812 measure quite "badly" for example? People still seems to enjoy it and some people says it's the best dynamic headphone.

It measures badly, but some hear the problems and others don't. There have also been several defective models and some models sound noticeably different from others.

AKGs have always been my favorites and I've been on the K812 thread from the start, but after all this misadventure, I can wait till I hear it myself.
post #3907 of 4681
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

 

Thanks - and I appreciate your honesty.

 

Can I suggest then - that you can't really say this with any authority .......

 

...... simply because realistically you have no idea how it actually sounds.  I might also suggest that whilst graphs can be helpful in interpreting what we hear, they shouldn't be used to tell us what we hear before we've actually heard it.  All that does is add bias before we audition anything.  Another headphone that was widely maligned on release was the SRH1840 (because of graphs).  A lot of people who've spent time with them would also tell you that if you like a very flat/neutral headphone - the SRH1840 is wonderful.  Essentially a flatter HD600 with better imaging.  In fact at current pricing (sub 500), the SRH 1840 would actually be one of my recommended buys.  I wish I still had mine (sold it to buy the RS1's - which I liked, but in the end did not really "wow" me as much as I thought they would).

 

I've only had the HD700 a couple of weeks so far - but I really do like them.  Yes there is a spike - but it can be EQ'd out (I don't, but it's easy to do).  If you're overly treble sensitive they might not suit.  But they are not horrible headphones - far from it IMO.  And I see used pairs going at sub $600 (saw one pair last week at sub $500!) which actually makes them a pretty good buy.

 

All I'd suggest is that maligning a headphone (which you've never heard) because of a graph is actually a pretty ill-informed thing to do.  Better to say nothing until you've had the chance to actually hear them.  With an open mind - they might even surprise you ......

 

he definitely can't say that without any authority and it makes me feel sorry for these type of ppl who pre-judge headphones based on measurements

essentially only a handful of headphones measure extremely well, so i guess +90% are not worth listening to

but meh, go ahead, deprive yourself of a euphonic listening pleasure just because the bass distortion doesn't pass the quoted 1% tolerance limit... it's quite hilarious and sad at the same time

post #3908 of 4681
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Originally Posted by nehcrow View Post

he definitely can't say that without any authority and it makes me feel sorry for these type of ppl who pre-judge headphones based on measurements
essentially only a handful of headphones measure extremely well, so i guess +90% are not worth listening to
but meh, go ahead, deprive yourself of a euphonic listening pleasure just because the bass distortion doesn't pass the quoted 1% tolerance limit... it's quite hilarious and sad at the same time

This is odd to me. If he'd listened to it and wrote the same thing, suddenly he'd be an "authority" for you? That's precisely why he gave up taking people's opinions so seriously.

So the fire-breather explained himself badly. What do you expect? He's a f****** fire-breather! But his posts about vintage gear are fascinating, and I hope you make an equal contribution someday.
post #3909 of 4681
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post


This is odd to me. If he'd listened to it and wrote the same thing, suddenly he'd be an "authority" for you? That's precisely why he gave up taking people's opinions so seriously.

So the fire-breather explained himself badly. What do you expect? He's a f****** fire-breather! But his posts about vintage gear are fascinating, and I hope you make an equal contribution someday.

of course i would take a listeners impressions over measurements, who wouldnt... both are useful in there own rights (for graphs: showing spikes + dips, sibilance blah blah)

but how the hell can you get an overall sonic impression from measurements? i know people who THINK they can interpret a headphone completely from measurements but in my experience, headphones can sound so different from how they measure

 

i find it hilarious how a tascam headphone can measure better than the Abyss, but the Abyss is easily one the greatest listening experiences i've ever had, it's not even remotely comparable... there's some proof right there


Edited by nehcrow - 3/19/14 at 4:27am
post #3910 of 4681
I'm with those against measurments. A microphone and a computer is not a person and so how can it tell you what sounds good? A person might like more bass, so any headphone without it sounds bad. Another mighy hate treble, so any headphone with treble sounds bad. Another might love treble, and want more. But if you're a computer, how can you even say what is better? It can just show the frequency response, distortion, etc. pffft what is that worth. If you like bad sounding headphones, how can a graph tell you it sounds good or bad? Like, it could be a perfect headphone, and u could still go; don't like it. How can a computer do that? Or like be really **** headphone, but since you like that exact ****, they are perfect for you. See, computers are flawed, each person is different.

I just wish all people realised that and stopped trying to objectively prove and demonstrate stuff. Like the earth being round.. oh oh they'll show a photo of yhe earth from space and be all like see it's not flat. But that's from a photo. When I look at the earth, it seems flat to me, so who can argue that? For me and others, it's flat, all those who disagree, keep your measurements, graphs and all that to yourself, I'm sick n tired of seeing them. How it should go; does it seem flat to you? Yes/no? Then we can agree or disagree, it's all a matter of opinion in the end. Like, we don't live in a photo, we live on earth which is flat, to us. Nobody lives on a ball where u walk and turn upside down... Ever seen anyone upside down? Bet you not.

Same thing for all knowledge. Nobody knows everything, so why even try. If I don't understand science, how can it work. Headphones aren't science, they are music, an art. Science can't get into audio and tell us what is good or better, or sounds good. Science is of the devil, it's scary and should stay away from music. Because how can we argue if it's measured and we just see it? I mean, can't argue there, but we can't be wrong because that's not an option, so one has to go. And that is science. Go away science! Nobody wants you! We are humans, and we are right, not you. Always. Science knows nothing about good sound.
post #3911 of 4681
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Originally Posted by Blinxat View Post

I think people like Tyll Hertsens put a lot of emphasis on measurements, and while that aids in showing possible sonic flaws, most people will probably never do measurements or assume anything is wrong if the headphones sound good to them....
Agreed, I haven't looked at any measurements when deciding what phones I like. My ears decide what the best headphone is smily_headphones1.gif
post #3912 of 4681
The sooner we get back on topic, the less likely the thread is to be locked. redface.gif

Please save it for Sound Science.
Edited by Claritas - 3/19/14 at 5:51am
post #3913 of 4681

in short stock galaxy s3 earphones is better > ASG-2  :)

I had high expectation for aurisonics asg2, but I have  heard only disintegrated sound of dynamic driver and its twin balanced armatures.

Lately, a great suspicion is growing in me towards any hybrid designs. Even coherence issue in my Miracles were bothering me, but asg2 was simply disappointment to me. Sorry, but it is.

Sound has this boominess across all frequencies even if put bass tune to the lowest and the treble comes, I do not how to explain it is  like drinking coffee then eating sugar separately :) . It was not so obvious is Miracles, and ASG made it to me very obvious. I do not have really any bias towards dark sounding earphones, but i did not like the implementation

in ASG2.

I have said what I was thinking so long and now you can throw  potatoes to me :) I would not dare to write this in ASG2 thread.   

post #3914 of 4681
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Originally Posted by Claritas View Post


It measures badly, but some hear the problems and others don't.

 

I wonder if the people who hear the "problems" are influenced by the measurements.

post #3915 of 4681
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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
 

 

I wonder if the people who hear the "problems" are influenced by the measurements.

 

Just like more expensive cables and interconnects always seems to sound better. :deadhorse:

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