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post #3886 of 4460
I swear to jeebus if someone uses "measurements" as a support for an argument in a HIGHLY subjective hobby ONE MORE TIME, I'm gonna have a freak out. Just because it doesn't "measure" well (what does it even mean to measure well?!?!!??) Doesn't mean it doesn't sound good!
post #3887 of 4460
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Originally Posted by AHorseNamedJeff View Post

I swear to jeebus if someone uses "measurements" as a support for an argument in a HIGHLY subjective hobby ONE MORE TIME, I'm gonna have a freak out. Just because it doesn't "measure" well (what does it even mean to measure well?!?!!??) Doesn't mean it doesn't sound good!

 

"proof"

 

HD800 - measures "good" and I love it

AD2000x - measures "good" and I still love it

PS500 - measures... well it was measured... and a lot of times this is my favorite can

 

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post #3888 of 4460
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Originally Posted by AHorseNamedJeff View Post

I swear to jeebus if someone uses "measurements" as a support for an argument in a HIGHLY subjective hobby ONE MORE TIME, I'm gonna have a freak out. Just because it doesn't "measure" well (what does it even mean to measure well?!?!!??) Doesn't mean it doesn't sound good!

So far my experience has shown that the only headphones that sound good to me, are the ones that measure good. Sorry if I'm hesitant to trust other peoples ears when every single headphone I've bought based on a direct suggestion from someone else has sounded poor to my ears. 

 

That includes my TH600 and RP18. And my DT1350. And my SA3000. My friend's RS2i sounded pretty awful too. And guess what? All of these measure bad in one way or another. Maybe with one or two headphones it could be coincidence. But five? My faith that measurements don't matter falters a bit.

 

I'm having my favorite headphones (Sony DR-Z7) measured so maybe my mind will be changed by that. We'll see.


Edited by takato14 - 3/18/14 at 6:52pm
post #3889 of 4460
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Originally Posted by AHorseNamedJeff View Post

I swear to jeebus if someone uses "measurements" as a support for an argument in a HIGHLY subjective hobby ONE MORE TIME, I'm gonna have a freak out. Just because it doesn't "measure" well (what does it even mean to measure well?!?!!??) Doesn't mean it doesn't sound good!

:beerchug:

post #3890 of 4460
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post

 

 

I'm having my favorite headphones (Sony DR-Z7) measured so maybe my mind will be changed by that. We'll see.

 

Bad mistake--if they don't measure well you might not enjoy them as much as you do now.  The mind plays tricks...

post #3891 of 4460
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

So far my experience has shown that the only headphones that sound good to me, are the ones that measure good. Sorry if I'm hesitant to trust other peoples ears when every single headphone I've bought based on a direct suggestion from someone else has sounded poor to my ears. 

 

That includes my TH600 and RP18. And my DT1350. And my SA3000. My friend's RS2i sounded pretty awful too. And guess what? All of these measure bad in one way or another. Maybe with one or two headphones it could be coincidence. But five? My faith that measurements don't matter falters a bit.

 

I'm having my favorite headphones (Sony DR-Z7) measured so maybe my mind will be changed by that. We'll see.

Measure good, measure bad, yada yada yada. Whatever the hell that nonsense means, if anything at all. How about relying on your own ear or your own impressions or your own sense of exploration to figure out what you like and don't like. Better yet, how about sharing your own original impressions with the community instead of just saying, "it measures bad?" I'm detecting an extreme lack of self responsibility here. Here's a thought. It's your fault you decided to trust other people or measurements to decide what you bought and didn't like.

 

TLDR over the last several pages: This place is a good community to help point you in the right direction, but don't be afraid to try things and discover your own original preferences. Measurements mean nothing. Your ears mean everything.

 

Alright, I'm done feeding the trolls.

post #3892 of 4460
^ absolutely agree mate!
post #3893 of 4460
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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post
 

Measure good, measure bad, yada yada yada. Whatever the hell that nonsense means, if anything at all. How about relying on your own ear or your own impressions or your own sense of exploration to figure out what you like and don't like. Better yet, how about sharing your own original impressions with the community instead of just saying, "it measures bad?" I'm detecting an extreme lack of self responsibility here. Here's a thought. It's your fault you decided to trust other people or measurements to decide what you bought and didn't like.

 

TLDR over the last several pages: This place is a good community to help point you in the right direction, but don't be afraid to try things and discover your own original preferences. Measurements mean nothing. Your ears mean everything.

 

Alright, I'm done feeding the trolls.

:popcorn:

post #3894 of 4460

1. DT 880

2. DUNU DN-1000

3. HE-400

4. Shure 215

post #3895 of 4460
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post

 

 

I'm having my favorite headphones (Sony DR-Z7) measured so maybe my mind will be changed by that. We'll see.

 

Bad mistake--if they don't measure well you might not enjoy them as much as you do now.  The mind plays tricks...

Actually, I'm expecting them to measure quite badly. They have their flaws and I'm already very aware of them, and I expect the measurement sheet to reflect what I hear.

 

My main goal is to get a feel for their frequency response to help determine my upgrade path, as everything I've tried so far has left me dissatisfied. I'm happy with them sonically and I'm going to keep them forever, but the problem with that is they're so uncomfortable that I can't stand to wear them for more than 2 hours at a time. Their soundstage is also very small; not necessarily a problem, but I do lust for some more size every now and then. 

 

Though, Sony's marketing for these was centered around the "fact" that they measured better than the world's best speakers at the time of their release, so perhaps they will measure good. 

 

Okay now back on topic with non-lazy descriptions:

 

1: Sony DR-Z7

--I've said before and I'll say it again: A perfect fit for me. Slightly bright with razor flat bass and extremely natural sounding transients. Lacks harshness entirely; the absolute cleanest treble I've ever heard. Has a sharp, clean definition to every note; percussion snaps like a whip and guitars are meticulously defined. Has a wonderful sense of impact not only in the bass but throughout the entire frequency range; the most engaging headphone I've ever used. Built like a tank; almost the entire headphone is made of aluminum. Gorgeous. Downsides are a small, slightly squashed soundstage that can cause details to bleed into each other and a relatively high amount of second-order THD (thickness). Oh, and they inflict physical harm to my ears after 2 hours of use. 

 

2: Pioneer Monitor 10-II:

--Frighteningly overdesigned for their time period and extremely good sounding. Angled pads and transducers, dual suspension headbands, self-locking headband adjustments, extremely thin diaphragm, and very light compared to most gear from their time period. Basically, everything the Z7 doesn't do the best, these do amazingly well. Very flat sounding with insanely good treble extension. Sublime soundstaging that rivals and sometimes even beats open headphones. Has this remarkable sweetness to the highs that's impossible to describe; it's silky smooth and soothing yet very precise and clear. Simply beautiful to behold, both on and off the head.Not as clean as the Z7 and has a bit of bass bloom, but not a lot. More comfortable than the Z7, but still a bit too heavy for my neck. Build quality isn't very trustable; mostly constructed using plastic and glue. The driver magnets can break loose from the transducer; avoid anything that would involve these being banged around at all costs.

 

3: Pioneer SE-500 (modded):

--I just don't know with these. These were literally the third headphones I ever bought. They clamp, they're stupidly hard to power, they have virtually no bass at all, and yet... I love them. They're so bright, but it's done oh so very well. It's got some of the silky smoothness of the Monitor 10 and Monitor 10-II, and a very out-of-head soundstage. Very fast but a bit sloppy in the decay. Thin pads, unpadded headband. Horrid cable and my pair is starting to develop shorts in the headphone. I think I hear a resonance somewhere in the treble, but for some reason I'm not drawn to it as I am with other headphones. Peculiar that these have been around so long and still haven't been obsoleted.

 

4: Audio Technica ATH-6D:

--Relatively unremarkable on the sonic front but well-balanced and competent enough in the transient department. Kind of mid-centric. However, the soundstage is huge and airy and they are quite literally the most comfortable headphones I've ever used. Very light plastics and extremely soft, breathable pads. Suspension headband with very low clamp. Very easy to drive. I use them primarily for gaming but I do wear them outside on occasion when I need to be aware of my surroundings. Very pretty; their design has an eerie resemblance to the Z7.

post #3896 of 4460

OK.  I'm new to this, but so far:

 

1.  Sennheiser HD600

2.  HiFiMan HE-500

3.  Klipsch X-10

4.  Superlux 668B

 

I just burned in the HE-500.  I hear a distortion in high mids on some female background vocals.  I'm trying to figure out if it's the headphones or my Lyr/Bifrost.  Otherwise, I think they sound great.

post #3897 of 4460
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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post
 
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

So far my experience has shown that the only headphones that sound good to me, are the ones that measure good. Sorry if I'm hesitant to trust other peoples ears when every single headphone I've bought based on a direct suggestion from someone else has sounded poor to my ears. 

 

That includes my TH600 and RP18. And my DT1350. And my SA3000. My friend's RS2i sounded pretty awful too. And guess what? All of these measure bad in one way or another. Maybe with one or two headphones it could be coincidence. But five? My faith that measurements don't matter falters a bit.

 

I'm having my favorite headphones (Sony DR-Z7) measured so maybe my mind will be changed by that. We'll see.

Measure good, measure bad, yada yada yada. Whatever the hell that nonsense means, if anything at all. How about relying on your own ear or your own impressions or your own sense of exploration to figure out what you like and don't like. Better yet, how about sharing your own original impressions with the community instead of just saying, "it measures bad?" I'm detecting an extreme lack of self responsibility here. Here's a thought. It's your fault you decided to trust other people or measurements to decide what you bought and didn't like.

 

TLDR over the last several pages: This place is a good community to help point you in the right direction, but don't be afraid to try things and discover your own original preferences. Measurements mean nothing. Your ears mean everything.

 

Alright, I'm done feeding the trolls.

Not all people have the means to try whatever headphones they want. I'm poor and I have no way to get to Head-Fi meets. I only have what I can access on the internet to go off of when I'm making a new headphone purchase. That includes others' subjective impressions as well as objective measurements and data sheets.

 

And I'm sick of people talking down measurements. Sound is a SCIENCE. Things sound good for a REASON. Measurements can REVEAL that reason. 

 

"Its my fault that I decided to trust other people": Damn right it is. People are ******* retarded. I was certain that this time I'd be wrong, surely if I buy a headphone a lot of people like I'll be happy this time, surely an expensive headphone from a highly experienced and well-respected audiophile brand would actually be good, regardless of how it measures.

 

Guess what headphone I'm trying to sell now. Guess what headphone I never even remotely enjoyed listening to. I'm done using anything BUT measurements when looking at new headphones from now on. The closer a headphone is to objective perfection the more it steps out of the way and simply lets you enjoy the music. Anyone who says anything that contradicts objective measurements is listening to the headphone, not the music. It's 90% of the community and it makes me sick. 

 

I'm done here. 


Edited by takato14 - 3/18/14 at 8:51pm
post #3898 of 4460
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

Not all people have the means to try whatever headphones they want. I'm poor and I have no way to get to Head-Fi meets. I only have what I can access on the internet to go off of when I'm making a new headphone purchase. That includes others' subjective impressions as well as objective measurements and data sheets.

 

Sorry in advance - and not meaning to antagonise or anything (genuine question) ...... relates to me earlier question which you didn't answer .......

 

Based on what you wrote above - have you actually heard the HD700, and how much time did you spend with it - and under what conditions?

post #3899 of 4460
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

Not all people have the means to try whatever headphones they want. I'm poor and I have no way to get to Head-Fi meets. I only have what I can access on the internet to go off of when I'm making a new headphone purchase. That includes others' subjective impressions as well as objective measurements and data sheets.

 

Sorry in advance - and not meaning to antagonise or anything (genuine question) ...... relates to me earlier question which you didn't answer .......

 

Based on what you wrote above - have you actually heard the HD700, and how much time did you spend with it - and under what conditions?

 

No need to apologize; it's a legitimate, reasonable question.

 

No I have not. I wanted to buy one a while ago but I have held off because of the reports that say their treble is harsh. I've found that poor treble is a dealbreaker for me ever since I got the Z7.

 

 

The measurements suggest this as well. It hurts just to LOOK at that 5kHz peak. However, the rest of it is quite clean, so I'd like to at least try it at one point. Am I going to drop $1k on it just to find out? **** no.


Edited by takato14 - 3/19/14 at 10:04pm
post #3900 of 4460

My beloved HD600s have been bested.

 

1) Shure SRH1540

2) Sennheiser HD600

3) Beyerdynamic DT900/600 ohm

 

Other assorted stuff in my collection doesn't come close.

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