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post #3871 of 4603
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

The HD700 is a horrible headphone, avoid it like the plague. 

 

Don't be so sure about the HD800. Its slightly darker than the K701 and is an absolute beast to power. The K701 is an extremely underrated headphone. It seems like it gets kicked to the dirt simply because it's cheap relative to the other flagships. It does a lot of things right and very few wrong. You'll be hard pressed to find a headphone that's a complete, direct upgrade to it. In fact, the only headphone that comes to mind is the STAX SR-009. 

 

While I agree with you that the K701 is an incredible headphone does not get enough respect around here, the HD800 (and the T1) is in whole different league.  You have to own them to truly appreciate them...a quick audition in a noisy store or meet does not do them justice.

Judging by how incredibly close the HD800 and K/Q701 measure, I highly doubt this. The T1 is great if you can get a good pair (and deal with the 10kHz peak) but Beyer's QC is inexcusably lenient, making it very easy to get a bad pair. I've owned 3 DT1350s and they all sounded wildly different, and two of them sounded like utter **** compared to the good pair.

 

Regarding the Lovely Cube, if it is a Lehmann Black Cube clone, you definitely don't need an upgrade. 


Edited by takato14 - 3/18/14 at 2:09pm
post #3872 of 4603
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Originally Posted by kernel8888 View Post

it blows my mind how much hate the hd700 gets. While i haven't heard the q7xx or hd800, i've heard the hd700 against the he-500 and he-400 and while it is abit of a different flavor, it is a great, world class headphone. To say it is terrible and horrible is a gross and wildly misleading comment.

I find that people that dislike the hd700 are usually comparing it to the hd800 and using the hd800 as the reference to hold the 700 to. but the 700 isn't supposed to be a cheaper-but-as-good hd800. the hd700 is the hd700. If it were the sennheiser flagship and the hd800 didnt exist, we would hear a very different conversation.

If people dont like the hd700, and even hate the hd700, that is ok and there is nothing wrong with voicing that opinion, but hating the hd700 and saying that it is a terrible hp are two very different things. Respect the subjectivity of this hobby and use your vocabulary accordingly.

The HE-400 and HE-500 are not world class headphones. The HE-500 is close but not quite there.

 

The HD700 is just a bad headphone, it measures bad and sounds bad, not just relative to any headphone in particular. Its treble is peaky and its got absolutely nasty ringing at 5kHz. It's painful to listen to. The K/Q70x wipes the floor with it, as does the HD800.


Edited by takato14 - 3/18/14 at 2:07pm
post #3873 of 4603
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

The HE-400 and HE-500 are not world class headphones. The HE-500 is close but not quite there.

 

The HD700 is just a horrible headphone, it measures bad and sounds bad, not just relative to any headphone in particular. Its treble is peaky and its got absolutely nasty ringing at 5kHz. The K/Q70x wipes the floor with it, as does the HD800.

 

Beg to differ.  Owned the K701, K702 and Q701.  Currently own the HD700.  I'd take the HD700 any day over the AKGs (and I did genuinely enjoy the AKGs while I had them).

 

Get the HD700 at the right price and (to me) it's a value proposition.

 

We get that you don't like the HD700 takato.  You've made your point.  How about leaving it at that and let the rest of us enjoy it ;)

post #3874 of 4603
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

We get that you don't like the HD700 takato.  You've made your point.  How about leaving it at that and let the rest of us enjoy it ;)

No. 

 

 

I kid, I kid. It's your head and your opinion, and I respect that. I'm still going to refute it and if anyone asks for a suggestion, the HD700 is not going to be it. :p


Edited by takato14 - 3/18/14 at 2:22pm
post #3875 of 4603
case in point: previous 2 posts.

Like i said, in my opinion its fine to voice if you hate a hp, just dont say its terrible or horrible. Those are two different types of statements. one is implying a subjective opinion while the other is implying an objective fact.

Also, world class heaphones are designated by many factors and the classification itself is also very subjective. BUT hd700 and he500 are classified as "summit-fi" and "high-end", and while they may not boast the technical abilities of the hd800, sr007/sr009, lcd3/x, he90, abyss, i think that they both fill an ackward spot where they are not the highest of hi-fi but still better than mid-fi cans. I'd call that some where in world class, hifi, summitfi, just not quite at the very top like the previous listed models.

I would agree that the he-400 is securely in the mid-fi category, though.
Edited by kernel8888 - 3/18/14 at 3:03pm
post #3876 of 4603
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

 

I kid, I kid. It's your head and your opinion, and I respect that. I'm still going to refute it and if anyone asks for a suggestion, the HD700 is not going to be it. :p

 

Perfectly fine with that.  Interested to know though - how long did you actually spend with the HD700 forming that opinion - or did you simply read Purrin's graphs and make a decision based on those ........ ?

post #3877 of 4603
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case in point: previous 2 posts.

Like i said, in my opinion its fine to voice if you hate a hp, just dont say its terrible or horrible. Those are two different types of statements. one is implying a subjective opinion while the other is implying an objective fact.

Also, world class heaphones are designated by many factors and the classification itself is also very subjective. BUT hd700 and he500 are classified as "summit-fi" and "high-end", and while they may not boast the technical abilities of the hd800, sr007/sr009, lcd3/x, sr90, abyss, i think that they both fill an ackward spot where they are not the highest of hi-fi but still better than mid-fi cans. I'd call that some where in world class, hifi, summitfi, just not quite at the very top like the previous listed models.

I would agree that the he-400 is securely in the mid-fi category, though.

SR-90? What IS that?

 

Well objectively the HD700 is worse than the Q701 and HD800. It measures worse. 

 

I realize world-class is subjective. To me Summit-Fi and World-Class means there are no outright flaws. You get everything, you're not compromising performance anywhere, you're not giving up bass to have cleaner treble, you're not sacrificing decay cleanliness for soundstage size. There is no "but"; the headphone doesn't have anything you can fault it for, it doesn't have great transients but crap soundstage, or great bass but crap treble.

 

The HD700 can be faulted for the double penetrator of death in the treble (5k and 11k peaks), so it's not world class. The HE-500's distortion is too erratic (poor power handling) and its treble rolls off a bit. It would be world class if the HE-6 didn't exist.

 

Regardless: If you like the HD700, more power to you. I love my Sony DR-Z7, even though most people think it's a bright, aggressive, bassless clamp machine.


Edited by takato14 - 3/18/14 at 2:47pm
post #3878 of 4603
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post

To me Summit-Fi and World-Class means there are no outright flaws. You get everything, you're not compromising performance anywhere.

There is no "but"; the headphone doesn't have anything you can fault it for, it doesn't have great transients but crap soundstage, or great bass but crap treble

It would be world class if the HE-6 didn't exist.

 



I’m getting sucked in to an internet battle... oh well this will be my last post.

He-90 Orpheus. My bad.

So you say "To me Summit-Fi and World-Class means there are no outright flaws. You get everything; you're not compromising performance anywhere" "There is no "but"; the headphone doesn't have anything you can fault it for, it doesn't have great transients but crap soundstage, or great bass but crap treble"

I have 3 problems with that.

1. Doesn’t exist in an objective context. Not even the HE-90, sr009, or abyss. Probably never will.
2. You then say that if the he6 didn't exist than the he500 would be world class, implying that your opinion of world class is based on price and flagship status, or else the he500 would be included in the world class category regardless of the other more expensive phones in the lineup. Either the he500 is world class or it's not. That’s like saying if the hd800 didn't exist the hd700 would be world class. Your opinion of world class is now proven contradictory beyond repair.
3. Many like the hd700 more than the hd800 and the he-500 over the he-6. Graphs don't indicate interpreted sound and refinement.
Edited by kernel8888 - 3/18/14 at 3:02pm
post #3879 of 4603

1. Westone 4R

2. PSB M4U2

3. HE-400

post #3880 of 4603
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

Judging by how incredibly close the HD800 and K/Q701 measure, I highly doubt this. The T1 is great if you can get a good pair (and deal with the 10kHz peak) but Beyer's QC is inexcusably lenient, making it very easy to get a bad pair. I've owned 3 DT1350s and they all sounded wildly different, and two of them sounded like utter **** compared to the good pair.

 

Regarding the Lovely Cube, if it is a Lehmann Black Cube clone, you definitely don't need an upgrade. 

 

Well, I had a K702 and I loved it.  I bought a T1 just to see what the fuss was all about...and I never used the K702 again (except to compare the two models).  The difference was not night and day, but there was a very noticeable improvement with the T1 (lets say a dusk and day difference).   There was also a noticeable difference (but to a much lesser degree) between the HD800 and the T1 - the Sennheiser simply outperformed the T1 in a couple of areas.    I guess I was lucky because my T1 was incredible.

post #3881 of 4603
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Originally Posted by kernel8888 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

To me Summit-Fi and World-Class means there are no outright flaws. You get everything, you're not compromising performance anywhere.

There is no "but"; the headphone doesn't have anything you can fault it for, it doesn't have great transients but crap soundstage, or great bass but crap treble

It would be world class if the HE-6 didn't exist.

 



I’m getting sucked in to an internet battle... oh well this will be my last post.

He-90 Orpheus. My bad.

So you say "To me Summit-Fi and World-Class means there are no outright flaws. You get everything; you're not compromising performance anywhere" "There is no "but"; the headphone doesn't have anything you can fault it for, it doesn't have great transients but crap soundstage, or great bass but crap treble"

I have 3 problems with that.

1. Doesn’t exist in an objective context. Not even the HE-90, sr009, or abyss. Probably never will.
2. You then say that if the he6 didn't exist than the he500 would be world class, implying that your opinion of world class is based on price and flagship status, or else the he500 would be included in the world class category regardless of the other more expensive phones in the lineup. Either the he500 is world class or it's not. That’s like saying if the hd800 didn't exist the hd700 would be world class. Your opinion of world class is now proven contradictory beyond repair.
3. Many like the hd700 more than the hd800 and the he-500 over the he-6. Graphs don't indicate interpreted sound and refinement.

1: The 009 is very, very close to objective perfection, but that's not the same thing as having no glaring flaws. I simply mean a headphone that performs at the same level across the board; there isn't one thing it does best, it's simply one collectively excellent experience. 

 

2: My point is the HE-500 is literally a downgraded HE-6; HiFiMAN made the HE-500 by altering the design of the HE-6 to make it cheaper and easier to power. My statement has no bearing on price. If you consider anything around the performance of the HD800 to be world class, then I suppose the HE-500 does belong up there, but I don't consider it world class simply because the HE-6 does everything it does, but better. And no, the HD700 wouldn't be world class unless we were still in the 1980s, and even then it'd only be the best dynamic available. The Stax SR-X MKIII and Fostex T50v1 would wipe the floor with it.

 

3: I have never heard of anyone liking the HE-500 more than the HE-6, nor the HD700 over the HD800 when they're all driven to the extents of their potential. 


Edited by takato14 - 3/18/14 at 4:28pm
post #3882 of 4603
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post

The HD700 is a horrible headphone, avoid it like the plague. 

Don't be so sure about the HD800. Its slightly darker than the K701 and is an absolute beast to power. The K701 is an extremely underrated headphone. It seems like it gets kicked to the dirt simply because it's cheap relative to the other flagships. It does a lot of things right and very few wrong. You'll be hard pressed to find a headphone that's a complete, direct upgrade to it. In fact, the only headphone that comes to mind is the STAX SR-009. 

The K812 might be worth a try if you can deal with a little tizz on the transients; it has deeper bass, higher treble, better soundstage, etc while maintaining the transparency of the K701, but sacrifices some treble control and refinement.

If you're willing to go vintage, the STAX SR-X MKIII is a good complement to the K701, according to my friend. Just make sure you replace the pads else you'll be left with a very bright, bassless experience. You would also need either a transformer box and a speaker amp or a normal bias stat amp, so that'd be more of an endeavor.

Hope this helps.
It's definitely not horrible but I didn't enjoy it much besides the soundstage and comfort.
Edited by Byrnie - 3/18/14 at 4:58pm
post #3883 of 4603

Enough with the objective nonsense. You're just making your case look weaker every time you bring it up. Objectively, the HD 700 is built of plastic, metal, and silicon. Subjectively, they sound great to me for the price and I own the HD 800.

post #3884 of 4603
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Originally Posted by kcazbarach View Post

1.) He-400
2.) Mad dogs 3.2
3.) ath m50


If I include past headphones, the ad900x would've been 4, and the hd 555's would be 5.
Interesting that you enjoy the m50 over the ad900x.
post #3885 of 4603

1. HE 400

2. HD 598

3. SR 60i

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