|If someone runs a well controlled and blind experiment based on someone switching out two different cables, and based on this experiment they determine that they usually prefer cable A over cable B, then that's proof that Cable A is the preferable cable, it's not faith.
yep, i agree and would love to see such a test but how often do you see well controlled blind experiments on cables? i haven't seen any, and it seems that cable manufacturers are reluctant to do such a test beause it might not cast their products in the best light. Almost all cable reviews i've seen say somthing like "i pluged in cable B and suddenly the bass was tighter, the midrange was more defined, the highs cleaner, and the soundsatge was wider". But these are based on memory, and i can assure you that a person's hearing changes more over time than any cable will. Combined with the placibo effect, and the fact that one WANTS the cable to sound better so that he/she didn't just waste large amounts of money, and i have to take those reviews with a grain of salt. So if there was a well controlled test, done by people that i respect (not too many hi-fi writers come to mind), then i would accept it as proof... why don't you do such a test at your next headfizer meeting? i'll be intersted to see the results.
And is hearing really more valid than scientific principals or intuition? Hearing is not done by your ears, but by your brain. Your brain will automatically combine thoughts and feelings along with the sensory input from your ears. So how you are feeling at that time, and what you expect to hear from that cable can often "colour" your hearing. And throughout history there have been countless reports of people having "out of body" experiences and visions, based only on faith. If someone believes so strongly that cables will have such a drastic effect on sound, i can see the exact same thing happening.
|I think the problem arises when someone doesn't accept one person's proof just based on their own particular faith
And just becuase one person can hear a difference doesn't make it a fact, even IF there is such a difference in the first place. Each person's hearing is totally different, and just because one person can hear it doesn't mean that the difference is there for everyone. Which is why i believe each person should test it out for themselves instead of simply accepting either conclusion/
|If you insist on just looking at the first order affects like resistance, capacitance and inductance, then you can create a argument that cables won't sound differently. If you actually tried them out on a decent system like many people have and have heard them sound different, then that would make you start looking a little deeper at why there are differences
I never insisted on looking at any particular effect, i just stated that the claims of cardas and others are completely unknown to the world of science. I find it very difficult to accept that EVERY other piece of equipment in the signal path from the microphones in the recording studio to the headphones you use to play them back are desined using "first order" effects, and all of these are not only much more complex than cables, but also have lots of cabling inside them. So if audio is really so special that it can not follow the basic principals used in other electronics, then shouldn't every piece of audio equipment follow those principals?
In my opionion, a cable should add nothing, and take nothing away. And that certainly doesn't seem hard to do, i don't see how it could cost hundreds or thousands of dollars per foot for a wire that simply passes on a signal without altering it (enough for us to hear it). I think the simplist explanation is that different cables sound different because they are colouring the sound. Stuff like MIT cables have circuity that will alter the sound, making it sound different. It may "match better" with different equipment, but i can't see this as an improvement worth the price they charge. Its just like using an EQ, but audiophiles will sneer at deliberately changing the sound with an eq, yet they have no problem making changes with different cables...
i hope that comment written in second person wasn't actually directed at me, i really hope that you aren't impling that my system isn't "decent" enough to pick out differences between cables.
And i can not see any justification of using far fetched claims that are written in such a manner that an unknowing person will be easily misled, to sell make money. It certainly has left a bad taste in the mouths of the average consumer; mass market junk and bose dominate the market, even though they are inferior to comparable audiophile equipment mainly because most people would rather avoid the far fetched claims and snoobery of the audiophile world. We all have different values, and I personally do not like supporting companies that i feel are not honest in how they make their money.
|Some of listening to different audio equipment is learning what to look for. It's taken me a couple of days to hear the differences between two CD players, but after I figured out what they were I could consistantly pick out which was which. Perhaps I was better off before I knew. Most people are happy with $10 headphones and probably think that spending $50 for headphones is crazy...more power to them.
Yes, and hopefully i will get a chance to test out different cables in the future, if there is a difference that i feel is worth the money spent, then i will purchase them. I certainly don't think that ignorance is the right way to go, but ignorance can go both ways, either ignoring cables because of preconcieved notions, or blindly accepting them because of the claims of manufacturers.