I have just sold a Cd player on Amazon Marketplace and received a coupon of 70 Euros in exchange. I thought I should use this opportunity to venture into the more "difficult" or simply for me unknown classical music. What would be some good starters in terms of bartok, prokofiev, shostakovich, mahler, bruckner, stravinsky or others? So far, I've only heard Schönberg's Verklärte Nacht, which I liked very much but unfortunately didn't continue along that road. I like jazz if that helps. Thank you in advance.
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Any good starters for "difficult" classical music?
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3/2/05 at 5:04pm
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Shostakovich is a great composer to start with. Cello Concertos and Violin Concerto's are a great place to start. Rostropovich or Maisky in the Cello Concerto's. Oistrakh or Vengerov in the Violin Concertos.
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Shostakovich is a great composer to start with. Cello Concertos and Violin Concerto's are a great place to start. Rostropovich or Maisky in the Cello Concerto's. Oistrakh or Vengerov in the Violin Concertos.
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3/2/05 at 6:12pm
Verklärte Nacht is probably the least Shönbergian Schönberg.
Vengerov has both the Prokofiev and Shostakovich Violin Concertos together,(Rostropovich conducting the LPO) bundled together (2 cds, one with concertos no. 1 and the second with concertos no. 2). Those are really terrific recordings with very good Russian feel.


You may also enjoy Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet especially if you love the ballet, or incidental music from the Love for Three Oranges (such as the Kije Suite). Try Barber's Adagio, Bernstein has a great recording of it. Bartok's Concerto for Strings is probably one his most accessible works, but perhaps not suitable as a starter.
Vengerov has both the Prokofiev and Shostakovich Violin Concertos together,(Rostropovich conducting the LPO) bundled together (2 cds, one with concertos no. 1 and the second with concertos no. 2). Those are really terrific recordings with very good Russian feel.


You may also enjoy Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet especially if you love the ballet, or incidental music from the Love for Three Oranges (such as the Kije Suite). Try Barber's Adagio, Bernstein has a great recording of it. Bartok's Concerto for Strings is probably one his most accessible works, but perhaps not suitable as a starter.
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3/2/05 at 6:34pm
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Try some chamber music by Alfred Schnittke. It may take a couple of listens to appreciate his stuff, but after you do its magical.
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Thanks for those recommendations, I'll give them a look and eventually order them from Amazon. Any recommendations for the "non-Russian" composers?
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3/2/05 at 7:19pm
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Thanks for those recommendations, I'll give them a look and eventually order them from Amazon. Any recommendations for the "non-Russian" composers?
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Mahler - Hard to say where to start.. why not start in the middle with the 5th.. it's not too long, but has a bit more modern flare than his earlier symphonies.
Since no one mentioned Stravinsky, I will. Do you have THE RITE OF SPRING? If you don't, you should. Another masterwork of the 20th century. Pretty much every movie composer has ripped off this work, esp. John Williams. As for performance, my favorite is a 70's recording by Michael Tilson Thomas and the London Symphony. Antal Dorati w/ Detriot is another that I remember as being quite extraordinary.
And while we're at it, you need a copy of THE PLANETS by Gustav Holst. Again, pretty much every movie composer has ripped off ideas from this great work. Hear the original. There are tons of great recordings of this piece, hard to tell you where to start. Herbert von Karajan's 80's recording on DG is one of my favorites.
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Great stuff, thanks. Regarding the Planets, I really like the Jupiter piece and according to a friend of mine in South Africa, that was Nelson Mandela's favourite orchestral piece. He had it played when he was taking his leave from the presidential office.
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3/2/05 at 7:39pm
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In my case, it was Mahler's No.1. Before it, my experiences for classical music had been limited to some Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert something. I did not understand the music at the first time, actually it took a bit long time. After that I seldom felt the 'difficulty' while listening to classical music at least before 12-tone music (next barrier was Schoenberg's orchestral varitaion).
Because you like 'Transfigued night' I believe you will like Mahler's works. My suggestion is to try No.1, No.5 and No.9 first. (So many recordings and reviews.)
Bartok is another nice starting point. Works to begin with would include Concerto for orchestra (how about Reiner?), Piano concertos (Anda is nice) and String quartets (try Juilliard 60s recording).
If you're interested in some more 'modern' music, the course would be to try second viennese school first, and then go to so called avantgard music of 50-60s. I'd say Schoenberg's Orchestral variation (Karajan's 3cds set is a classic, I think it's reissued in Originals), Wind Quintet (I'd pick VPO members/DG), Alban Berg's Orchestral 3 pieces (Karajan or Abbado?) and Violin concerto (hard to pick one modern recording, I'd say not to miss Krasner/Webern if you don't mind historical recordings), etc.
Among more accessible works of postwar composers, I'd like to mention Ligeti's earlier works (Musica Ricercata, String Quartet No.1 - the course alike Shoenberg/Bartok taken by a quarantined composer), Messiaen's Turangalila symphony, Berio's Folk songs, some Henze's works (how about Undine? It's virtually in late romanticism).
Because you like 'Transfigued night' I believe you will like Mahler's works. My suggestion is to try No.1, No.5 and No.9 first. (So many recordings and reviews.)
Bartok is another nice starting point. Works to begin with would include Concerto for orchestra (how about Reiner?), Piano concertos (Anda is nice) and String quartets (try Juilliard 60s recording).
If you're interested in some more 'modern' music, the course would be to try second viennese school first, and then go to so called avantgard music of 50-60s. I'd say Schoenberg's Orchestral variation (Karajan's 3cds set is a classic, I think it's reissued in Originals), Wind Quintet (I'd pick VPO members/DG), Alban Berg's Orchestral 3 pieces (Karajan or Abbado?) and Violin concerto (hard to pick one modern recording, I'd say not to miss Krasner/Webern if you don't mind historical recordings), etc.
Among more accessible works of postwar composers, I'd like to mention Ligeti's earlier works (Musica Ricercata, String Quartet No.1 - the course alike Shoenberg/Bartok taken by a quarantined composer), Messiaen's Turangalila symphony, Berio's Folk songs, some Henze's works (how about Undine? It's virtually in late romanticism).
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3/2/05 at 7:50pm
I have to agree with Masonjar! Definitely look at Stravinsky, (I love his Firebird) and also Darius Milhaud. You are probably well familiar with Erik Satie as a pianist, if not pick up some of his works on sheet music first!
For the non Russians there are also Hindemith, Benjamin Britten (St. Nicholas Cantata is a good start, it was written for children), Ralph Vaugn Williams, Samuel Barber, Roy Harris, Ives, Cage, Babbit and ofcourse, if you are very brave George Crumb.
Do you have access to a record library? That might be the best way to sample things and find what you like before spending all of those Euros.
For the non Russians there are also Hindemith, Benjamin Britten (St. Nicholas Cantata is a good start, it was written for children), Ralph Vaugn Williams, Samuel Barber, Roy Harris, Ives, Cage, Babbit and ofcourse, if you are very brave George Crumb.
Do you have access to a record library? That might be the best way to sample things and find what you like before spending all of those Euros.
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Do you have access to a record library? That might be the best way to sample things and find what you like before spending all of those Euros.
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3/3/05 at 3:07pm
After hearing samples, I'm interested in Alfred Schnittke, as suggested above. Also, still need to work on obtaining some of George Crumb.
My recommendations are: Edgar Varèse Amériques, Bartók The Miraculous Mandarin, Olivier Messiaen Chronochromie/La Ville d'en haut and various works by György Ligeti, Magnus Lindberg, Kaija Saariaho. There are many others.
Such art sounds difficult, as it reflects life today. Maybe difficult isn't exactly the right word, it's also odd.
My recommendations are: Edgar Varèse Amériques, Bartók The Miraculous Mandarin, Olivier Messiaen Chronochromie/La Ville d'en haut and various works by György Ligeti, Magnus Lindberg, Kaija Saariaho. There are many others.
Such art sounds difficult, as it reflects life today. Maybe difficult isn't exactly the right word, it's also odd.
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3/4/05 at 12:08pm
I've been looking for a good performance of the MM, but can find no reviews to send me in the right direction. Help greatly appreciated!
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3/4/05 at 1:46pm
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I have to agree with Masonjar! Definitely look at Stravinsky, (I love his Firebird) and also Darius Milhaud. You are probably well familiar with Erik Satie as a pianist, if not pick up some of his works on sheet music first!
For the non Russians there are also Hindemith, Benjamin Britten (St. Nicholas Cantata is a good start, it was written for children), Ralph Vaugn Williams, Samuel Barber, Roy Harris, Ives, Cage, Babbit and ofcourse, if you are very brave George Crumb. Do you have access to a record library? That might be the best way to sample things and find what you like before spending all of those Euros. |
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3/4/05 at 2:41pm
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Try Bartok's string quartets, and if you like them, then try Beethoven's also.
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