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post #181 of 865
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Originally Posted by rsaavedra
Yes, I'm guess that compensates for a naturally high response of the drivers in those frequencies. So that the two factors ideally cancel each other ending up in a smooth and appropriately flat final frequency response.
Really interesting to discuss technicalities like this, especially for us non EE crews ... while we can hear faint giggles from Dr. Evil. =)

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I am on a self-imposed ban. I will not be posting any more reviews, opinions, comments on any subject on the forums. I feel this is necessary in order to abide by the rules of the forum. Thank you for your support for my reviews and for the cameraderie I have experienced for so long as a casual member of headfi. I will not be posting any more unless I want to trade/participate in meets. I am still reading posts so absolutely NO BITCHING behind my back . You may contact me via PM or Email or IM and I will always be gsferrari...um...Dr.Evil really...in body, mind and spirit
We'll see how long will it take before that SA5K appreciation thread !

post #182 of 865
I just got the FedEx package with my SR60s this very second! Man, I'm excited. Hopefully, I'll be able to add my voice to chorus after I open these bad boys up.
post #183 of 865
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Originally Posted by Otic
I just got the FedEx package with my SR60s this very second! Man, I'm excited. Hopefully, I'll be able to add my voice to chorus after I open these bad boys up.
You are going to succumb to the SR60itis!!! Ha ha ha, sorry about your.... wallet!!!

I like sounding dastardly ,
Abe
post #184 of 865
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Originally Posted by mhcarlos
seeberg - Thanks. Is it worth it to get replacement pads for the SR-60? I'm was thinking maybe if it was the SR-225, then I wouldn't hesitate getting Todd's flat pads or vwap pads, but how much mroe quality can you get from the 60 with pro-modded pads?
Yes, absolutely, especially considering the low price. The 414 pads are totally worth getting on any Grado, although I've never heard flats, and I've never seen a shop in Salem that sells Grado, so I'v never heard past the SR225. You probably know there is a review (was it gsferrari or someone?) that reviewed all the different pads, and the 414's came in a close second to the flats, but they cost so little in comparison. Hell, at first I didn't want to get them until I saw how much they cost
ing on a budget is nirvana,
Abe
post #185 of 865
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Originally Posted by appar111
I'm going to have to get some Senn pads and do the hole mod to compare.

Does anyone have any of these pre-cut and dyed black since v-wap no longer offers them? I can do it myself, but I'd rather not.

Anyone tried any other colors when dying the Senn pads?
I can do it, it's very easy-use a quarter in the center and cut with an exacto-knife on a surface you don't mind scratching into, and all I used to get mine black was shoe polish. Of course, I'd suggest trying it yourself. Just give the dye a couple of days to dry to avoid those 'stink rings' around your ears. When that's done, put them on in forward and reverse. Reverse works better for me.

Ya know, if you have RS model cans you could dye them a honey-brownish color to make them match, especially if you have an alternate leather color as I've heard rumors about.
But it won't make you look any er,
Abe
post #186 of 865
I'm happy with my Grado SR-60 cans and I feel that they have a better priceerformance ratio for affordable cans priced well under $100 USD MSRP. I liked the Grado SR-80, but I wasn't totally satisfied the discomfort of the John Grado bowl pads and I was missing the extreme low-level information and immediacy of the Grado RS-1. I find the SR-60s to be more musical and satisfying than the SR-80s in my humble opinion through My All American Reference System. (heh, can't flame me for that with that liner).
post #187 of 865
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Originally Posted by seeberg
Yes, absolutely, especially considering the low price. The 414 pads are totally worth getting on any Grado, although I've never heard flats, and I've never seen a shop in Salem that sells Grado, so I'v never heard past the SR225. You probably know there is a review (was it gsferrari or someone?) that reviewed all the different pads, and the 414's came in a close second to the flats, but they cost so little in comparison. Hell, at first I didn't want to get them until I saw how much they cost
ing on a budget is nirvana,
Abe
In what way are HD414 pads better than original SR60 pads. . For my eyes they are rather alike. Both are like a big soft pillow.

Georg
post #188 of 865
I always tried to find a speaker that had the same pice/performance & enjoyment ratio as the SR60, and never found one. At least, no one that touted speakers would suggest one. Maybe I should stop looking?

Maybe ing can't be done with speakers,
Abe
post #189 of 865
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Originally Posted by Langrath
In what way are HD414 pads better than original SR60 pads. . For my eyes they are rather alike. Both are like a big soft pillow.

Georg
You have to cut out the center with a quarter as your template, then the pad becomes your own private paradise. Cutting comfies will never produce such a result, because the density, porosity, material, and stiffness are all different than comfy pads. At least, that's my observation. I could be wrong though.

ing in the paradise inside my head,
Abe
post #190 of 865

You really can express yourself

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Originally Posted by gsferrari
I never thought it would come to this...

Before I explain what "this" is let me give you some background info :-

Headphones that I have used extensively (chronological)

* Sony MDR-V300
* Sennheiser HD-580
* Sennheiser HD-600
* Grado SR-60
* AT-900
* Sennheiser HD-595
* Sennheiser HD-650
* Grado SR-325
* Grado SR-225
* Alessandro MS2
* AKG K-271
* CD3000
....

And many more that I cannot remember...many that were not worth remembering...


Now after all that...and after nearly as many Headphone amplifiers...I am back where I started!!

* Sennheiser HD-650 is packed and ready to meet its new master
* Alessandro MS2 is packed and ready to meet its new master

Thats it...my "high-end" headphones are going to their new homes and I am left with my Grado SR-60 and a bunch of amps...

I ditched everything and ran the SR-60 straight out of the headphone jack on my trusty Rio Karma...

WALLAH!!!


Amazing beautiful sound...definitely DEFINITELY not the nightmare I was expecting to be plunged into...the horrors of horrible sound were nowhere to be found...the ghost of low-fi had taken a vacation...

I was TOTALLY digging it...this is what I call "Going back to the core issues" and the core issues are :-

* Enjoying the music
* Enjoying the music some more
* Enjoying the music more and more and more...

Over the last couple of days I have not turned on a single amp (except the ones that are being burned in for various people), havent touched my SACD source, havent touched a single CD...

I am listening to 192 kbps and FLAC rips on my Rio Karma out of the SR-60s and I honestly believe I can live this way for ever...

The SR-60s are one of the most underrated headphones here. I dont see them getting recommended anymore to anyone. The MS1 didnt sound any different to me honestly...Its a FAD now to own an "Alessandro" as opposed to a Grado...whatever...

I think ANY newcomer to HeadFi can be recommended a Grado SR-60 to start with...

If I can go through ALL those headphones, amps and still go back to these headphones without any problems then there must be something special going on there...some magic...


I dont care...you may have your opinions but I am glad to have had 48 hours of pure unbridled music without worrying about midrange, soundstage gaps and all that hullabaloo...


I am totally diggin it!!!
I mean it as a compliment. I haven't English as mother tongue as I think is obvious, so I haven't a chance, but also compared to those who have your speech really blossoms.
Either I agree or disagree it is a pleasure to read your messages.

If you not already are, you should consider being an author as occupation.

Georg
post #191 of 865
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Originally Posted by Langrath
I mean it as a compliment. I haven't English as mother tongue as I think is obvious, so I haven't a chance, but also compared to those who have your speech really blossoms.
Either I agree or disagree it is a pleasure to read your messages.

If you not already are, you should consider being an author as occupation.
I'd like to see more authors as well. Hopefully my career as one takes off , but I guess it all lies with peoples' acceptance of content and context they might not have seen before.

All the writers/artists in the forums need to make a discussion on the subject!
And post your art if you do any!
post #192 of 865
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Originally Posted by paspro
Outside the US, the SR-60 are overpriced and one can get a much better pair of headphones for the same amount of money. The same goes for all Grados. In the UK, the price of Grados is about one and a half that of the US prices. Take a look at this list of typical prices:

Model ---- US --------- UK
SR-60 ---- $69 -------- £75 ($142)
SR-80 ---- $95 -------- £83 ($157)
SR-125 --- $150 ------ £120 ($221)
SR-225 --- $200 ------ £158 ($300)
SR-325 --- $295 ------ £233 ($441)
RS-2 ----- $495 ------ £412 ($780)
RS-1 ----- $695 ------ £562 ($1063)

Not only that, but Grado does not allow US web shops to sell their headphones outside the US (e.g. http://www.headphone.com/layout.php?...subTopicID=182) in order to enforce these high prices.

As a result, for a European audiophile, it is preferable to buy a set of headphones from one of the European manufacturers like Sennheiser, AKG or Beyerdynamic because for the same amount of money spent for a Grado set one can get a much better set from some other source. I don't understand the commercial benefits that Grado believes that it gains from these high prices because, at least in the UK, this fact is well known and Grados are avoided unless someone happens to travel to the US.
Same situation here. Grados SR-80 are priced at USD 126, and thats probably a discounted price. Must be something to do with Grados restrictions?
post #193 of 865
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Originally Posted by mysticaldodo
Same situation here. Grados SR-80 are priced at USD 126, and thats probably a discounted price. Must be something to do with Grados restrictions?
That's why you go for Alessandro MS-1, MS-2, or MS-Pro, if you're "international", i.e. outside the US.
post #194 of 865
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Originally Posted by mysticaldodo
Same situation here. Grados SR-80 are priced at USD 126, and thats probably a discounted price. Must be something to do with Grados restrictions?
Has anybody any idea why they have restrictions to sell to some countries, amongst others my land Sweden. If I had a company selling headphones, I would like to sell to as many countries as possible!
I don't know how those sellers do that sell against restrictions in Sweden. Must be some kind of headphone smuggled gods. And because it is a headphone Mafia that smuggles it, the headphones becomes very expensive when you buy them in Sweden.
Then they sell a kind of budding to Sweden, Alessandro, that are nearly identical to originals 50 % cheaper.
Does anybody understand anything of this?

Georg
post #195 of 865
Maybe its Grado's politics? Or perhaps they've made deals with Sennheiser, AKG, etc. to stay off their turf, or something? I dunno. At least the Alessandro option exists, which is better than nothing, but Alessandro's cans are built by Grado for them specifically, so you should be getting the same thing.

And I just found this out: if the MS1 uses UHPLC copper in its voice coils, doesn't that make it a rebadged SR125? Or something in between the SR125 and the SR225 because its listed response is 20hz-22khz?

I dunno, that sounds like a real bargain. ,
Abe
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