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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I've read a lot on this forum about the diffrent cable upgrades. It seems like the general opinion is to go with the Zu Mobius for 650s and Cardas for 600s.

I've also read that the Zu does make the sound quite bright, and that the copper in the Cardas supposodly should give me more bass. And I love bass.

Has anyone tried the 650 + cardas combo. Any impressions, suggestions to share?
post #2 of 12
I have the Zu/HD650 combo winging its way to me as I type this. Will post some comments about HD650 and Cardas. There should also be some opinions in the Cable/Tweaks forum if I remember correctly in Ross's mega cable comparison?
post #3 of 12
The Zu makes the 650s brighter, but not bright. No cable upgrade is going to be a dramatic change in any headphone. It won't take what's considered a "dark" headphone and make it bright. The Zu brightens the 650.
I'm not an expert on cable upgrades, but the concensus is that the Zu gives more extension than any other cable.
Also, I hate to tell you this, but the 650s are tremendous overkill in your system. I doubt that you'd notice any change with any cable using an Audigy 2. Sorry, but I can speak authoritatively on that. I have an Audigy 2 and an Emu 1212m both in my system. With the Audigy there are things that just aren't there with the Emu.
I wouldn't recommend a cable upgrade at all for you. Spend the money on a better soundcard. That made a huge difference in my system.
post #4 of 12
I second the source upgrade. For the price of a good cable you can get a nice soundcard.
post #5 of 12
zu mobius is far from bright, it sounds copper - full and heavy but without being warm.
but yea get rid of the audigy.
post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by eriksson
I've also read that the Zu does make the sound quite bright, and that the copper in the Cardas supposodly should give me more bass. And I love bass.
The standard cable is the one supposed to deliver the most 'feelable' bass.

Don't expect that much from a cable upgrade.

Better invest your money in something more priceworthy, like a better soundcard.
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input!

Soundcard is number one priority. I think I made up my mind and I'm going to order the Edirol UA-25 later today. Since I'm in sweden I order stuff through my cousin in NY, thus I though it would be a good idea to get both cable and soundcard at the same time, since that would save me the double overseas shipping.

As far as I understand you guys think that cable upgrade really isnt that necessary but if I decide to go with it anyways I should get a Zu, right?

Thanks again..
post #8 of 12
If you do really want to walk the path...
I wouldn't fancy spending more for a new cable than is required to get the Oehlbach one.

And, for that matter, I personally feel that it isn't the 'zu' to be the best aftermarket cable out there, nor the one to match the HD650 best.
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
Which cable would be your best recommendation then Andrea?
post #10 of 12
I read some good things about the 'equinox', but still better about some other cable with "blue"/"silver" in its name according to its version.
I don't care for that enough to remember more.

BTW I'm just 'following my nose' and my personal views as concerns cables that instead of seconding, and if possible improving on, the headphone's own character, tend to try altering its nature.

I find that HD650's character is accomplished for how it is. If you want something different, you have other options to choose from, like HD595 and DT880. Which won't cost you any more than the 'zu' itself...
post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by Andrea
I find that HD650's character is accomplished for how it is. If you want something different, you have other options to choose from, like HD595 and DT880. Which won't cost you any more than the 'zu' itself...
The HD 595 (nor even the DT 880) isn't in the same league as the HD 650 in terms of sound quality (IMO). The less so compared to the HD 650/Zu Mobius -- which to me is clearly the better «HD 650» than with stock cable. And I'm rather sure that the Zu Mobius and the Silver Dragon corrupt the original signal to a minor degree. Anyway I don't care if a cable «enhances» a headphone's characteristic (whatever that means) or modifies it -- it's the sonic result that counts. The less characteristic, the better.

post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by JaZZ
The HD 595 (nor even the DT 880) isn't in the same league as the HD 650 in terms of sound quality (IMO). The less so compared to the HD 650/Zu Mobius -- which to me is clearly the better «HD 650» than with stock cable. And I'm rather sure that the Zu Mobius and the Silver Dragon corrupt the original signal to a minor degree. Anyway I don't care if a cable «enhances» a headphone's characteristic (whatever that means) or modifies it -- it's the sonic result that counts. The less characteristic, the better.

That's fine, but--
personally I'd choose anytime to have, say, HD650 + DT880 (or also HD595) than only a "maxed" HD650.

Moreover, I find the stock HD650 perfectly coherent - a feature of the highest importance in a 'reference grade' can for me.

My worries with different headphone-cable combinations, particularly with a 'forward' sounding cable like the zu is supposed to be, are that a crucial quality could be compromised, diminished in search of 'corrections' to the "character" of the 'phone, meaning by that "a harmonious sum of sound traits".
I know, I'm giving it sort of a methaphysical turn.
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